GTA: San Andreas

[guaps]

Just tried the game for the first time today. I must admit that I'm a big fan of the GTA series, but this game beats all the previous games I've played. Just played for 4 hours, and I only completed two missions in the begining. Then I started "free-roaming", and I must admit that I feel like the missions are extras, the free roaming is the game. The graphics aren't that good, but once you get into the game, you won't notice it anymore because the gameplay is like an eclipse covering all flaws.

It's a long time since I've been so excited about a game. Hopefully you'll read a post like this when I try Alan Wake for the first time ;)

Any one else tried it or does anyone feel as excited about it as I am ? :)

Can't imagine the possibilities of the next-gen consoles and this kind of gaming.

[raizok]

I agree. If GTA:SA looks and plays this well with THIS much detail THIS generation, imagine what it could be capable of next-gen!

Thats why I liked watching the Saint's Row video, you know Rockstar will deliver something thats even better :)

[mrLick]

Personally I feel that the whole GTA-concept is worn out. GTA3 was groundbraking, but all its succesors are almost identical. It's like the've just changed the setting and missions. Great expansion of the maps, doesn't cover the lac of innovation in GTA:SA. Free roaming isn't limited to the GTA games anymore, so that isn't enough to make the game unique.

[Morry]

Personally I feel that the whole GTA-concept is worn out. GTA3 was groundbraking, but all its succesors are almost identical. It's like the've just changed the setting and missions. Great expansion of the maps, doesn't cover the lac of innovation in GTA:SA. Free roaming isn't limited to the GTA games anymore, so that isn't enough to make the game unique.
What else is there to do, really? You have a massive playing field, interesting missions and now the series has incorporated skills like shooting and driving, so what is there that is missing? You could say better graphics, but everything could do with better graphics.
The developers have to decide between innovation or sticking with the same gameplay.
In some cases, new innovation is frowned upon (eg. Deus Ex Invisible War - good gameplay but it wrecked the Deus Ex licence) but in other cases, fans complain about not enough innovation.

[guaps]

I don't really care if the concept is worn out, as long as the gameplay makes the games fun to play.

If there's one concept that's worn out, it's first person shooters. I can't tell the difference between Doom 2 and Doom 3 other than better graphics.

[sidetwo]

I just bought it then for Xbox since my PC isn't too great (I'll be upgrading next year for Alan Wake and some other games).

I already played it on the PS2 but it was my brothers console so I never got much time to play it since he moved out.. I'll have a go of it now me thinks :)

[guaps]

Well I got it last week, and I've been playing it a little too much. My final exam is tomorrow, so after that I'll be able game some more.

This game rocks !

[mrLick]

If there's one concept that's worn out, it's first person shooters. I can't tell the difference between Doom 2 and Doom 3 other than better graphics.


I'm no going to argue about that. Doom 3 is a class example of a shity game. :P And don't mistake me, GTA:SA is not a poor game. It's way above the average games, it's just that I feel like I've seen it before. If you catch my drift?


The developers have to decide between innovation or sticking with the same gameplay.
In some cases, new innovation is frowned upon (eg. Deus Ex Invisible War - good gameplay but it wrecked the Deus Ex licence) but in other cases, fans complain about not enough innovation.


The main difference here, is that "Deus Ex Invisible War" was the second title in this series. While GTA:SA is the fifth or sixth GTA title. I don't think it could hurt to try out som new stuff :P

[guaps]

The main difference here, is that "Deus Ex Invisible War" was the second title in this series. While GTA:SA is the fifth or sixth GTA title. I don't think it could hurt to try out som new stuff :P

No, GTA:SA is part of the GTA3 trilogy. The next GTA game is going to be called GTA4.

[mrLick]

That might be, but it's still 5 different GTA games out there (6 if we count that GTA london thing).

But if the last three games are part of a trilogy, I guess you can exuse the lack of innovation. ;)

[Morry]

The main difference here, is that "Deus Ex Invisible War" was the second title in this series. While GTA:SA is the fifth or sixth GTA title. I don't think it could hurt to try out som new stuff :P
And they did. They gave us a map about three times as big as Vice City, introduced skills such as stamina, muscle, driving, flying..etc. There's clothing, tattoo and food selection as well. What new stuff could they implement to increase the gameplay variation?

[mrLick]

In my opinion, those new features didn't change the game that much. It didn't give the game an all new flavour.

Since the GTA don't really appeal to me anymore, I don't really have any good ideas how to improve it. And yes, I'm one of the three people in the wolrd that don't like GTA:SA :p

[guaps]

And don't mistake me, GTA:SA is not a poor game. It's way above the average games, it's just that I feel like I've seen it before. If you catch my drift?

Both yes, and no. The might look like it's the same, but the new features/skill that you are able to do in the game, makes it great. I mean it's not only free-roaming, it's free-will, you are able to do almost what ever you want to in the newest installment of the game. That's what make this game different from the former installment of GTA. I think that there is a "big" difference between the games. The best part is that the GTA games have almost infinite re-play value, that's pretty rare in gaming.

[mrLick]

Well as I pointed out in my last post, I'm not to fond of the last GTA games. This clouds my opinions a bit, and can make my criticism a bit unfair. But you have to remember that these are only my opinions, and I'm pretty sure that 99 of 100 disagree with me.

[Squarejawhero]

I know what you're saying, GTA:SA is a very familiar title, and that could breed contempt in some. But I love the series because they really build and build on their foundations without changing what makes it great. Not only do they build bigger, they build better worlds and improve all the aspects of the game. Not only that, but the representations of the individual cities are superb.

The next-gen GTA's going to be a bit of a shock though. Hopefully they'll retain its cartoon look otherwise they could blow it by being too real. GTA:SA still has the edge of unreality that serves to undermine the violent aspect, but push the bar too far and it could just end up being too overbaked.

[guaps]

One critism of the GTA-series (and alot of other games) is the fact that you can carry x amount of weapons (including big weapons) but none of the weapons show on the character. A baseballbat that just pop up in your hand, when it's needed. I'll like a little more realism on that point. (That goes for Alan Wake too :))

[Squarejawhero]

But how far do you go? I enjoyed Mafia, but the speed limiter was a pain. That said, running red lights was far more exciting than in GTA. Someone needs to do a red light AI mod on local police and speed checks. That'd be crazy.

[guaps]

Well you shouldn't put too much realism in it, only as an option for those who want it. But the weapon-pop-up, is not that big a deal. It's just a matter of showing the weapon on the person, when they are not drawn, and keeping the number of weapons and ammunation low.

But lifelike-laws in GTA would be crazy. I think I'd be wanted for reckless driving all the time then :)

[Squarejawhero]

I disagree. GTA isn't about realism, and shouldn't be - it's a big violent cartoon of a game. I'd be interested in seeing if they do push it into realistic representation though, even though I personally feel it'll lose a lot of charm in the process and think it'd only be a move intended to provoke rather than anything else.

[guaps]

Yes, I agree about that GTA isn't about realism, but I'm not talking about GTA exclusevly, just third person games in general.

[jakek]

Wonderful game, but I need a place to get on my soap box: Los Santos does not feel like Los Angeles at all. Maybe it has something to do with being an L.A. native, but it didn't feel right. L.A. is bright as hell or completely overcast, LS felt like it had SF weather. The buildings in the ghetto had paint that wasn't sun-bleached, which is weird; L.A. doesn't have one red-lettered sign that hasn't become pink. Also, what the hell was with the lack of a venice boardwalk. I want to walk through a stream of old hippies, stores that sell weird hats, a wall where there is legal graffiti, a thousand incence stands and teenagers selling pot and LSD that porbably isn't LSD, damn it. I want to get a ticket for jay-walking, yeah we get tickets for jay-walking, it's what the cops do instead of solving murders or... I dunno, sweeping the sidewalk, whatever cops do in other cities. I want fifty year old women in track suits all the time. Also, those track suit women should be the ONLY pedestrians and they should powerwalk. I want to see ten BMW SUVs in a row and have every other car be a Civic or a Volvo from 1985 that still has a Gore for President bumpersticker on it. I want a street that consists only of night clubs, record stores, and one really kick ass breakfast place. By the way, what's with all the rivers? We have one river, the L.A. River, and it should have a four inch wide, quarter inch deep stream of water at all times, except when it's raining and when it's raining I want to see some idiot in a boat in there die. I want to see the real Hollywood, all strip clubs, souvineer shops and street-walkers. I want palm trees, damn it. I want to see a nice neighborhood with two million dollar houses two blocks from a 10 square mile area of nothing but auto-body shops. Back to pedestrians, every Saterday the streets should be lined with orthidox Jews. When I go to Santa Monica I want to see a guy with a 2ft by 2ft square dreadlock next to a 7-11 asking for change. I want more people with signs claiming they're Vietnam vets than there are people in Vietnam. I want about a million crows and ten escaped parrots in the trees that keep you awake when you're trying to go to sleep at 6AM. I want coyotes that eat people's cats in the hills and possums in the city. I want girls from the mid-west that come out to be movie stars but just end up with a coke habit. I want signs in Korean, Spanish and Arabic all on the same street. I want an Etheopian food resturaunt and a sign that says Historic Philipino Town, that as far as I can tell is refering to one old apartment complex, damn it.

[Squarejawhero]

^great post :D

[QwNtacular]

Has anyone who lives in a relatively small town ever wondered what it would be like if a game developer just "happened" to make a game with your town as the setting? How awesome it would be to have a game like GTA rendering your own little town and getting to wreak havoc in it or whatever else you want to do but know you can't. And how about driving by your own house? haha

[jakek]

You know, they made a game of my town, True Crime: Streets of L.A., if you went by my high school there was a sex shop, it was ass.

[Sideen]

lol... guess i'm living in the wrong spot... couldn't imagine anyone making a game called: hamburg- the untold story ;)
now back to the topic, i'm currently playing san andreas and i'm already highly addicted, you got any idea how hard it is to sit in front of a pc all day and think about how to solve this or that mission or how the story would go on? it's hard ;) , really. about the gta series, i think the way they're developing the gameplay from gta 3 to san andreas is exactly the right way, i'm not sure about upcoming gta games... you should know when to stop... but what's even worse is that every second developer is trying to copy the gameplay and every other title, be it a dr3ver or true crime or even a mafia is hardly ever more than a gta clone. they've shown the way to innovation and genre- breaking gameplay elements and it's fine that they themselves stick to their ideas. there's so many developers out there willing to make games that rock and end up with games that look and play just like gta, that's what's wrong now... i mean, i understand it and all, after all, gta and gta-clones sell well and even developers have to pay the pizzaman ;) (nah it's not predjudice). i just hope remedy will do well with alan wake and not have a gta gameplay with the vehicles and all... but since none of their other games has been like this i'm pretty positive.

[remade]

I like san andreas a lot.a compared vice city,it was much bigger,more detailed,and all the way better.But voice acting,i thing,vice city includes more a famous actors.San andreas only voice actor who is my ears to famous was Samuel L. Jackson.Never heard to others.

But great game,one of my favourite :smoke: (no,i dont smoke real world,this is the guy from san andreas,grove street ;) and this is manhunt :)

[edifice]

Haha jakek, awesome post. :)
You guys like know what I like to do in SA? Okay, you don't. But I'm going to tell you anyway. I grab a beer and my cigarettes then play the trucker missions. I cruise toward the horizon with my illegal load. I'm the last free American hero, burning daylight as I head towards a setting sun.

[Kahr]

Any one else tried it or does anyone feel as excited about it as I am ? :)

Can't imagine the possibilities of the next-gen consoles and this kind of gaming.

Yes, I've played it and is near the end, but I got a little tired of it at this point. But yes indeed, the game is AWESOME. The freedom is supreme. I mean, never before have you been able to steal WHATEVER THE HELL YOU LIKE (including airplanes and choppers) and just roam with it freely to this extent. This is the first GTA where you can fly as high into the air as you like, jump out of it and save yourself with a bloody parashute.

The cars... The planes... The bikes... It's loveable. And you can play 2-Player on it too! :hyper:

[TruB]

i play alot of Multiplay games.. atleast one bf2.. but MP have been the thing awhile now.. so i welcome good SP games no matter.. good story and im sold..

anyways.. ive played through most of the story.. its a really good game and just cruising around is great.. i got so much money now so all the cars i get i fix up ini some way..
when it comes to gang territory.. im a bit dissepointed.. it interrups you when you are far away just to do a driveby.. cant my gang do something about it.. i have to do it all..and when you put togheter a gang to go and take over some ground.. first of.. its hard to actually start a take over.. since you sometimes.. some places cant find enough balas of whatever too shoot.. you shoot one and get cops on you tail..
when you finaly find some to kill.. the biggest enamys are the once that stands in your wary everytime you are going to shoot.. that is annoying.. so the end take overs i did i did it on my own..

back to the cops.. alright so they started to tail others then just me.. but the only trigger it seems is if they happend to drive into a police car.. they dont bother guys who are shooting... like some guys starts shooting at me.. i shoot back.. do not kill. once shoot and the police is on my tail.. same goes for my gang who angers another gang.. cant hit a thing so i have take em down.. again.. police on my tail.,.


and Z.. you get missions from him.. they are allright.. but the heli steering is worse than i remember previous games.. like when you are going to pick something up.. you use the 3 person view.. but its not behind the heli all the time.. its spins around..and you lose controll..flying however works.. but i have to change the mouse axis everytime i get in or out of a plane..

back to Z and his missions.. first of nerd whiner.. cant stand that kind.. the character should have bitched slapped his ass ages ago. one mission you play a mini game.. he.. goes with his little car on this track.. and all i have to do is fly with the not so flyable heli drop bombs on tanks.. build bridges... and what ever more.. all the stuff i have to pick up in the base.. the bad thing isnt really how the heli is steered.. it suckes yes.. but its even worse when you have to listen to his darn comments.. i stopped doing his missions complete and wont do them..

[Corwin]

I'm completely sick of any GTA stuff since GTA3 came out. I played it to the end but wasn't so much impressed, it was just OK, with a new gameplay, fine. ViceCity was just the same one filled with massive blurry effects, and it made me sick after a few hours. My brother bought S.A. but I didn't even tried it, I saw him playing it a few times and it was already too much for me. (Oh, he didn't made it to the end, he was bored way before, this must be the only game in the house that hasn't been finished once :P)

I don't see the point of free-roaming if you don't have any goal, except than roadkilling passing-by's to get the army after you, and I found the missions in GTA3 & ViceCity really poor. I'm even more sick of the people, especially the ones of the age of my little brother, who consider each GTA3 and the next ones as masterpieces, saying : "SO COOL ! Look ! I can ride a motorbike over the piedestrans ! Hahahahaha !" (No offence to anybody, I'm just tired of hearing this... I heard the same from the same guys about State Of Emergency, I tried it this afternoon, and I don't think I'll play it ever again.)

I've been able to finish ViceCity only by driving slowly with some 70's car, not a big red one going up to 150km/h in 3 seconds, and respecting the signs while I was going to see some drug-baron or gang-leader to obtain a mission. I'm feeling nostalgic about Mafia, I found this game a lot more stylish and "SO COOL", I'd rather drive slowly in an old car with the Godfather on my side, passing in front of the cops, with the feeling that I could kill them all with the gun, hidden under my coat, but I won't because I don't have any reasons to do so; than driving at 200km/h on the sidewalks of a sunny American city. This is also why I'm not a fan of the new games with highly powered futuristic weapons, I'd rather use a good old shotgun than a nuclear rocket launcher.

What I would like to see (apart from "No more GTA stuff") would be free-roaming with sense, to explore, to just get quickly to where you have to go, where you will get out of the car to visit some building. I've never been a fan of big cars and big guns, and I see cars as a way to get from a point to another, not as a way to kill or to get speed sensation or whatever people like in games like GTA. (I haven't followed the threads about AlanWake so closely, there's surely a topic about free-roaming which would break my dreams in a minute, but I do hope the free-roaming in this game will fit my hopes :p )

No, I'm not 70 years old :P

[Kahr]

This is also why I'm not a fan of the new games with highly powered futuristic weapons, I'd rather use a good old shotgun than a nuclear rocket launcher.
Oooh, but Unreal Tournament rocks. :cool:

[sidetwo]

I agree Corwin.. I had troubles playing nearly all the GTA games mainly because I didn't know where I was supposed to go half the time and it wasn't clearly layed out for me.

The map became a big mess of place names and everything and I had no clue what to do from there.

I think GTA 3 was a great game purely for the fact it advanced gaming so much.. GTA: VC and San Andreas are basically just addons.. they need to sit down and rethink the whole game and not just reuse ideas over and over.

[Kahr]

I agree to that. I have never seen GTA as anything more than endless mindless "fun". There is no purpose. No true meaning. Just another way to get agression out, empty your mind like a "Homer Simpson" on killing-spree. That's all there is to it, really. Lame-ass humour fit for a kid, in some weird ways... But still. Like Tekken does, it gets out your agression, and makes you empty your mind, becoming that "Homer Simpson" on a killing-spree. For this reason, and this reason alone, I like these kind of games.

[Corwin]

I agree to that. I have never seen GTA as anything more than endless mindless "fun". There is no purpose. No true meaning. Just another way to get agression out, empty your mind like a "Homer Simpson" on killing-spree. That's all there is to it, really. Lame-ass humour fit for a kid, in some weird ways... But still. Like Tekken does, it gets out your agression, and makes you empty your mind, becoming that "Homer Simpson" on a killing-spree. For this reason, and this reason alone, I like these kind of games.

Yeah, I see your point and I agree. Tho Tekken didn't exactly let my aggressivity get out, I've found myself fighting with my brother (not in the game I mean) more than once while playing some fighting games... "Yargg, stop doing that punch all the time ! Not fair !" :lol:

[Kahr]

I know that one! :lol:

Although I seem to be the one getting the beating of my life when playing against my girlfriend... :eek:

[Corwin]

Haha, girls don't usually play videogames because they are already too good at that ;)

(Except my sister, who dropped playing after finishing Little Big Adventure 2 in 2 years :lol: )

[Kahr]

Naw, most women seems not to understand the concept of playing a game. Or at least that's the experience with the ones I have tried getting to play. But this one... She likes banging on controls, playing fighting games.

[clip182]

I honestly would like to see them add in some dialogue choices and have the story adapt to you a little bit more that way if you say something wrong then it can adversly effect you. The biggest problem I've had with the games is that there free roaming but it's a controlled free roaming. I like to see it that you can cross the people your working for and it will open up different missions for you. The other thing is I'd like to be able to interact with some of the pedestrians or be able to at least go into shops and talk to people.

[Kahr]

It'll come... When we're talking about Next Generation Games, I expect GTA to start being like that.

[heyfunboy]

I knew there was going to be a topic like this! GTA GTA GTA

Don't get me wrong but I play SA also and was impressed with it. I thought it will be something like anyother GTA game except with a few new things (2 or 3 new weapons and a dozen new cars). Vice City, in my opinion, was like a couple of new things from GTA 3. But SA took GTA to a new level(?) of GTA games as of sequels.

Again, GTA GTA GTA!

[Nemesis]

I had played all Gta parts and my favorits are GTA2 and 3. GTA SA has a very very hight free roaming but when compare the story of CJ with the missons... - it isn't such funny as in GTA2 and isn't serious as in GTA3. Some missions in GTA SA are bullshit. Only the begin and the end are important for the story. It isn't a bad game but I prefert Mercenaries!

[Kahr]

My favorite GTA game must be the original. The first one. It was the beginning of the GTA spree upon the world, and I still find it hilarious to play. It was, and still is, a good game.

[morgan]

Haha to be honest i loved GTA VC the first gta i ever played in 3d, i found SA boring, they need to change the look and feel of this game i think, SA was boring because it was basically the same thing with differnt voices

Also what would have made SA great a sort of choose ure own story mode where you select the path you wanna go down

SA wa good but not good enough

[morgan]

Oh and another thing, sorry for being a post whore.....

Next Gen GTA?

http://www.gamesradar.com/default.asp?siteid=60&sectiontypeid=1&subsectionid=1584&articleid=36447&pagetypeid=6&mediapos=1&imageid=87015&mediamode=free

and here is an article on it... http://www.gamesradar.com/?pagetypeid=2&articleid=36447&subsectionid=1584

if this came out on the ps3 i would snap it up in a flash even though i dont want a ps3

[morgan]

Hehe i atually hadnt read that article before, imagine if the next gta wan as MMO like guild wars, how good would that be, but not sure how it wud work, however i want the next gta to have more buildings in which u can go inside, even if it was the size of the VC map i wouldnt care it wud be awesome

[Kahr]

I absolutely loved GTA:SA. It's exactly what you would expect from a GTA game. Mindless killing fun and lotsa sarcastic humour. Come on, it's GTA. :hyper:

[morgan]

that is true, actually in a way i think that VC is probley the most serious gta ive played

P.S havent playes GTA 3

[jubajee]

http://www.sa-mp.com/ for u who plays with pc. this multiplayer mod will be released soon. there was a beta test and i get to play and i just can say this mod ROCKS!

[Kahr]

LOL :lol:


Daamn. This makes me wanna get it for the PC. :hyper:

[JFRESH69]

Iam a huuuuge GTA fan, and no i dont go around just causing havoc and killing all the time, I actually play the game! but my favorite part of all GTA games is the music, good stuff, I cant believe a video game would make me fall in love with cheesy 80's pop music, yea I know its bad

[Kahr]

I hated the music in VC. :(

[Coak]

It's not that bad, but there just wasn't much variety in VC. In SA, you didn't have to listen to all the nigga-homie-gangsta crap because you had other stations, I just loved speeding around Los Santos at night, in a Clover, listening to Radio X.

[Morry]

It's not that bad, but there just wasn't much variety in VC. In SA, you didn't have to listen to all the nigga-homie-gangsta crap because you had other stations, I just loved speeding around Los Santos at night, in a Clover, listening to Radio X.
I actually thought the exact opposite. Whereas Vice City was a compilation of all the hits from the 80s (aswell as the whole Scarface soundtrack), SA was confined to 90s rap music on all but two stations.

[Coak]

Confined to 90s rap music on all but two stations? There were just two stations with rap music, Radio Los Santos and Playback FM.

Ok, I won't argue, since I know I'm gonna lose in the end..
Vice City had a good soundtrack and it suits the game, I probably didn't like it as much as I could have because I am from a whole another generation.

[Kahr]

I hate 80s music. :rolleyes:

I loved the 90s rap music in GTA:SA though. Hehe. Brings back memories. :D

[guaps]

I hate 80s music. :rolleyes:

I loved the 90s rap music in GTA:SA though. Hehe. Brings back memories. :D
I'm just the opposite.

I love the music from VC, but didn't really like all the rap in SA - the country and rock radio stations were good.

[Kahr]

Haha, the only moments I could bare the country music in SA was when I was either doing rampages with a large trailer, or trucking in the country with a truck. Otherwise, I hate country music too (and yes, I hate ALL country music, not just 90s :p). I love modern rock (late 90s, 2000+), but the rock I heard on Radio X wasn't any good IMO. I think the only radio station that is basically constantly on, is Radio Los Santos. I only switched into Playback FM every now and then. The others I just didn't bother listening to.

Well, except from K-Jah every now and then because it was just too hilarious to miss out on. :p

[K1rsten]

GTA VC - the best GTA part. Perfect music!!! In SA music is suck, I hated rap, I love 80s music.

[guaps]

GTA VC - the best GTA part. Perfect music!!! In SA music is suck, I hated rap, I love 80s music.
I totally agree. The gameplay in SA was better, but the music was bad.

[Kahr]

No. It was the other way around. The 80s music was the horrible one.


Hehe, so let's stop this music discussion. It's ain't going anywhere 'cept in circles. You guys liked the 80s, I hated it. Easy as that. :cooler:

[Maddieman]

I quite liked both. :o

Seemed like there was more variety in SA though. Thankfully they included a way to skip tracks.

[SupaHumaN]

GTA san andreas had very good improvements in roads, quality of the city and all that but they added so many useless and time consuming features, like bodybuilding and all that girlfriend shit >_>

They should concentrate more on the driving, cinematics and the storyline.

[Kahr]

Camera movements when driving were horrible in SA. That is one thing they did better in VC I must admitt. But otherwise, SA was fun. I like the bodybuilding and girlfriend stuff. Most of it was volunteer anyways. :hyper:

[Coak]

I played on the PC and I loved the camera movements when driving, drive with the left hand and look around with the right while doing it.

[Kahr]

Yeah well... On the PS2 it was horrible.

Edit: And yes you madddd XBox-fanboys. It was the VERY same on XBox.

[afs]

Cars should run on gas. You should have to stop and pump gas every now and then.

Someone made the claim that Mafia was better then GTA:SA? What about the buggy gameplay... and short gameplay... and back-&-forth difficulty... during gameplay. Not saying it wasn't fun. Just saying... not as fun.

With SA, I think they moved more toward an RPG. How long before you get to "Choose Your Path"?

[Dmz]

AHAHAH you know whats funny I bought San Andreas and played it for the first time last week for PC, Futureshop was selling it for $19.99 so I picked it up.