PS3 confusion

[loupz]

at first, a few months back, i heard this game was out on ps3. then reading through this forum, ive seen loads mentioned about pc specs and xbox360. i searched the forum for "platforms" and one post said that the game was no longer coming out on ps3. but then i also saw one other post which said that it was coming out on ps3:S v.v. confused lol. can anyone clear this up for me. i was hoping to buy a ps3 and not an xbox, but i may have to change my mind :S

[sidetwo]

When the game was first announced it was planned to come on PS3 but it was never guaranteed to be released on the console.

In early 2006 Microsoft announced it would be publishing the game and Remedy and Microsoft had an exclusivity on the game. Meaning that it's only coming on PC and Xbox 360 now.

[loupz]

Darn.... i will have to think about which console to get. it was ps3 from the beginning for me and alan wake made me want ps3 more. now im stuck lol. ahwell, thanx for the reply, much appreciated :)

[Kaylel]

The PS3 doesn't have too many exciting exclusive titles anymore, and it will cost you twice as much as the Xbox360. I think the choice is clear at this point. I first wanted the PS3 myself, but changed my mind after investigating the differences. The PS3 will be better, and some games will definitely look better on it, but the price may not be worth it. Up to you.

[loupz]

yeah. as soon as i saw that alan wake wasnt out any more, i investigated what other original ps3 games were coming out . . . not many. :( been considering gettin xbox anyways, so think might get an xbox, maybe remortgage the house nnxt year and get a ps3 too lol cheers for the advice peeps

[Tomokka]

The PS3 doesn't have too many exciting exclusive titles anymore, and it will cost you twice as much as the Xbox360. I think the choice is clear at this point. I first wanted the PS3 myself, but changed my mind after investigating the differences. The PS3 will be better, and some games will definitely look better on it, but the price may not be worth it. Up to you.

I was just wondering how you think ps3 will be more powerfull? I dont want start a fight or anything its just that i came to a conclusion that they are even or 360 is more powerfull :). I base this on many factors but the most important one is how the memory is done in these machines. In xbox 360 you have 512 ram which isnt restricted from cpu or gpu, so at any given time 360 can have 512 worth of textures on the screen, add to this the daughter die 10 mb of edram. Ps3 has 512 memory also but its cut in half and restrcted. Even though Sony claims the gpu can use the ultra fast xdr memory which is meant for cpu in my view this is not posible. I will try to boil things down at this point because its going to take too mutch time if i try to explain everything :). Like i sayed xdr is meant for cpu. This means that cpu can access memory faster than gpu. Infact it takes so mutch time for the gpu to access XDR that it will criple the entire machine down. Eventually i came to a conclusion that ps3 is more powerfull on PAPER but 360 is going to be more powerfull on game software.

[ulysses79]

I'll buy a PS3 and I won't buy an Xbox 360 for Alan Wake. I wish play Alan Wake on my PS3. I think Xbox 360 & Vista Exclusive isn't right decision. :mad:

[fmlad2002]

I'll buy a PS3 and I won't buy an Xbox 360 for Alan Wake. I wish play Alan Wake on my PS3. I think Xbox 360 & Vista Exclusive isn't right decision. :mad:

After having the 360 for a year, seeing the PS3 being delayed a year with and outrageous price tag, i decided to upgrade my PC to the Quad Core with dual 8800 GTX..

- ok £2500 is an expensive gaming experience, but One 8800gtx alone is more powerful than the new PS3, hey and thats even before its released.

I suspect Sony have lost the plot with the PS3, which will cost them dearly!.

Vista is here to stay like it or not, so DX10 cards seem a must at some point..

[ulysses79]

We gonna boycott Remedy Games. We won't buy a Remedy Games. PS3 fans are very disappointment.

[Ranger_]

We gonna boycott Remedy Games. We won't buy a Remedy Games. PS3 fans are very disappointment.

You gotta be kidding me...

[Kahr]

We gonna boycott Remedy Games. We won't buy a Remedy Games. PS3 fans are very disappointment.
Coming from one Sony fanboi to another... That's silly. Come on.

At first when I heard of Alan Wake being Microsoft exclusive, I wanted to swing my baseball bat around. But you can't blame Remedy for doing this. Sony have pushed the PS3 back, and then back some more, while Microsoft have been doing the right thing all along. They've given their producers the right tools to work with, and they even give the people creating games with them (like Remedy) excellent tools to work with.

In this market, being a Sony fanboy just isn't working anymore, my friend. Sony is comitting suicide.

[vividly_pathetic]

For the first time in my life I'm pissed that Macs don't really support games (and even if they did, Microsoft would prolly do whatever they could to get this game) :(

[Kahr]

Mac supports some games. I think they're becoming more open to changes. :p

[LucidLie]

PS3 got all this negative flack for Sony's standard choices. but have you seen the rough pricetag on the xbox360b? Since they are pushing for VISTA, I'm sure Alan Wake is gonna require a 360b. Good Luck basicly paying for your 360 another two times. Heres a little piece of info for you to concider when youre talkign about Gates and the Microsoft Games divion walkign on water. They were responcible for the Zune.

[sidetwo]

PS3 got all this negative flack for Sony's standard choices. but have you seen the rough pricetag on the xbox360b? Since they are pushing for VISTA, I'm sure Alan Wake is gonna require a 360b. Good Luck basicly paying for your 360 another two times.

They are both the same console except the "b" version has a bigger harddrive and an extra HQ connection.

There won't be games that require this version of the console over the other.

[guaps]

For the first time in my life I'm pissed that Macs don't really support games (and even if they did, Microsoft would prolly do whatever they could to get this game) :(

There are some good mac games out there, best one I've ever tried was Marathon made by Bungie.

Of "newer" games I've played Warcraft III on my current Mac, which worked like a charm - kudos to Blizzard for making hybrid PC/Mac games.

I'm currently considering buying SimCity 4 if it'll run on my machine, 'cause I could use something to keep me occupied while commuting.

As you can tell I'm not much of a Mac gamer, but I've managed to use my current laptop (a 1GHz G4 with 768 MB 133 MHz RAM) for almost 4 years without a reinstall or any complication, and it still works perfect with new programs and features (well, except for the fact that it can't handle 720p or higher HD trailers)

EDIT: check www.macgamer.com for gaming news

[thb]

Just because AW isn't coming to the PS3 doesn't mean that future Remedy titles won't either... right?

[MRD]

Im not sure, I thought Microsoft bought the rights to Remedy games. In the FAQ it says there will be more Alan Wake games....and right now microsoft has the rights to alan wake...so personally right now i dont see a future for remedy and PS3.

[sidetwo]

Microsoft does not have the rights to Alan Wake. They are simply the publisher and that's it, Remedy still owns the rights.

[MRD]

I meant the rights to be the publisher...lol

[thb]

So this is one of those "wait and see" deals eh?

[MRD]

Yep.

[thb]

At least there is Killzone 2...:nono:

[ulysses79]

Remedy is cause of confusion. Alan wake is being developed for Xbox 360 & PC by Remedy but their page says "Remedy is currently developing Alan WAKE, a psychological action thriller for the next generation of consoles and PC".

http://www.remedygames.com/company/index.html

[Maddieman]

Yep, that section of their website doesn't appear to have been updated; but it also clearly says "Exclusive for Windows Vista and Xbox360" on the Alan Wake homepage (http://www.alanwake.com/). I'm sure most people would check out the main Alan Wake site first, than the Remedy one.

[MRD]

Yep, that section of their website doesn't appear to have been updated; but it also clearly says "Exclusive for Windows Vista and Xbox360" on the Alan Wake homepage (http://www.alanwake.com/). I'm sure most people would check out the main Alan Wake site first, than the Remedy one.

Yes. Unless Remedy is secretly also making it for PS3:lol:

[ulysses79]

Yes. Unless Remedy is secretly also making it for PS3:lol:

Yes. I have a PS3 & Remedy is making it for Ulysses.

[Morry]

Remedy is cause of confusion. Alan wake is being developed for Xbox 360 & PC by Remedy but their page says "Remedy is currently developing Alan WAKE, a psychological action thriller for the next generation of consoles and PC".

http://www.remedygames.com/company/index.html
Note the page info for that source:

Last Modified: Friday, 3 June 2005

That little paragraph would have been put up around the time of the first Alan Wake announcements.

[dvdric]

It could be the same as assasins creed was. it was annouced for ps3 only then later they said xbox 360 aswell. So it could happen microsoft dosent own remedy. they can make the game for anyone they want, it could be a timed exclusive. also if they release it on ps3 at a later date it might look better then the xbox 360 version. Look at oblivian that is better looking then pc and xbox 360 version.

[Onjoo]

This thread is pointless!

I mean the rumors might have been hinting about PS3 release.
The official statement is that they are developing for Xbox360 and Vista.

What confusion?

[Coak]

It could be the same as assasins creed was. it was annouced for ps3 only then later they said xbox 360 aswell. So it could happen microsoft dosent own remedy. they can make the game for anyone they want, it could be a timed exclusive. also if they release it on ps3 at a later date it might look better then the xbox 360 version. Look at oblivian that is better looking then pc and xbox 360 version.

They don't own Remedy, but they are the publisher for the game, Remedy makes the game and it's up to Microsoft to choose on what platform the game is coming out and it's only logical that they wouldn't want to release the game for their rivals systems. Plus it would take more time and money to make it or port it for one more console.

[Kahr]

This thread is pointless!

I mean the rumors might have been hinting about PS3 release.
The official statement is that they are developing for Xbox360 and Vista.

What confusion?
The confusion was before it was official that Remedy was using Microsoft as their publisher, then they were planning to release it for the PS3 as well. But after it was official that Microsoft was the publisher, it became 360 and Vista exclusive. Not all have figured this out yet, I suppose.

[ulysses79]

Alan Wake will be an action adventure game (a pyschological action thriller :)). PS3 is the rightest platform for action adventure games, like God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Devil May Cry, Fahrenheit, Okami... Remedy made a mistake.

[sidetwo]

Alan Wake will be an action adventure game (a pyschological action thriller :)). PS3 is the rightest platform for action adventure games, like God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Devil May Cry, Fahrenheit, Okami... Remedy made a mistake.
I don't understand how you can think a console can be specific to genres. Seriously how can they be? It's like you said, just a platform.

The 360 caters for all genres and so does the PS3. You want Action Adventure games on the 360? Gears of War, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Resident Evil 5 and the list can go on and on (http://au.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1029&category=Action+Adventure&type=games&mode=top&sort=views&sortdir=asc).

The PS3 will also have good games.

The point being is that it doesn't matter what console because the game will still sell well on any console it'll come on. The 360 has proven itself and the PS3 has yet to but it's only early days for that console.

[jobluesax]

Alan Wake will be an action adventure game (a pyschological action thriller :)). PS3 is the rightest platform for action adventure games, like God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Devil May Cry, Fahrenheit, Okami... Remedy made a mistake.

I don't hink that alan wake will be like or similar to devil may cry. god of war!Maybe a little like fahrenheit, but i think it will be something entirely new! :D

[ulysses79]

I don't hink that alan wake will be like or similar to devil may cry. god of war!Maybe a little like fahrenheit, but i think it will be something entirely new! :D

god of war is an action adventure game, fahrenheit is an action adventure game. alan wake don't similar gow or dmc. but they are all action adventure games, same genres.

ADM, gears of war & lost planet are 3rd person shooter games & RE 5 will be released for PS3. 360 don't have great action adventure games like PS3. Devil May Cry 4, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Lair, God of War 3, Shadow of the Colossus 2, Silent Hill 5, Assassin's Creed, Heavy Rain will released for PS3 :)

[jobluesax]

ah ok ok!
now i understand :D

[sidetwo]

ADM, gears of war & lost planet are 3rd person shooter games

Uh.. so? They are still Action Adventure games.

[ulysses79]

Uh.. so? They are still Action Adventure games.

ok, i agree they are action adventure games. also fear, doom 3, halo 3, halflife 2 are action adventure games.

[sidetwo]

They sure are.. so your original point saying that the PS3 is a better platform for action adventure games really makes no sense. As you know Action Adventure genre counts for a lot of games, each console has a lot of quality action adventure games.

The 360 will be a fine platform to launch on, I don't think Remedy made the wrong choice at all. You can keep saying titles that the PS3 will have but in the end it's all going to be up to the end user and if people really want to play this game they'll end up getting a 360 for it.

[ulysses79]

I don't gonna get a x360 for Alan Wake :( Remedy made wrong choice, it would be multiplatform and why Windows Vista exclusive? I don't like MS and products. Why people have to upgrade their PCs for Vista. I can't understand it.

[sidetwo]

So because you don't like Microsoft products you won't buy a 360 because of it? Well then that's your loss isn't it?

[Kahr]

Even though I fear this whole idea of Microsoft winning the console war simply because I don't want them dominating the console market, I have to agree with ADM. It's your own loss if you don't get a 360. Hell, I'm getting all three next-gen consoles (PS3, 360 and Wii). There's just so much, and there is no point in forgetting about the other(s), because there's something for everyone everywhere!

[thb]

While I congratulate you Kahr on being able to fork the money for all three consoles ulysses79 has a point. There are some of us out there who would like to buy one console and be able to play everything on it. Excuse me for offending anyone but exclusivity is gay, and while it is part of capitalism, in the end ITS THE GAMERS THAT SUFFER.

From my avatar its obvious what side I am on but still. Dead Rising for PS3, MGS 4 Guns Of Patriots for 360, I honestly don't see why it can't happen. In a game generation where two of the three consoles are exactly equal it just seems selfish to hog all the games (I'm looking at you Microsoft).

[Maddieman]

I get your point and in one sense agree with you -- unless, like Kahr, you've got around £1000 spending money, you're going to miss out on some cool games.

Unfortunately, everyone is doing it -- Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft. They always have, and I can't see it changing anytime soon. For every Alan Wake game that comes out, Xbox owners are going to miss out on a Zelda, Mario, Metal Gear, or God of War title (or whatever takes your fancy). So, unless you've got more money than sense, you're going to miss out on something. :heh:

I'm not sure the actual games suffer though. The competition is probably steeper between consoles than ever before. That means they have to up the ante, and improve on technology, innovation, and ultimately games quality. I mean, it's not like anyone can really afford to be lazy about game making any more -- successful game franchises sell consoles.

If I were to be pissed at any console manufacturer right now, it would be Sony, because the PS3 isn't affordable. They're trying to pass it off as the Rolls-Royce of games consoles, but even with the exclusive titles (and there are a lot of good ones), I don't think the price is justified. Don't get me wrong, my PS2 has been extremely good value for money, but I'm not willing to pay the kind of money they're asking simply for next-gen revamps of ps2 games (a lot being 128-bit revamps of ps1 games - tekken, mgs, tomb raider, resident evil...).

If you have to buy all of them (or two), I'd suggest buying 1-2 new consoles now, then get the other one nearer the end of its product lifecycle. The price of games and the system will be cheaper and you won’t be taking a chance on the line-up.

Either that, or you alternate between manufacturers. Backwards compatibility is a popular selling point these days (people are expecting it as standard); so it's probably safe to 'skip' a console generation and return to it in the next generation -- safe in the knowledge that the last generation will be supported. If you alternate between two consoles (e.g. xbox & playstation) each generation, then in theory you can stay up-to-date with both (and buy a Wii on the side).

There's still a risk (not all games work), but it's far more economical than spending £1000+ every 4 years, plus upgrading a games PC.

[dejay]

Don't blame MS for grabbing exclusives - it's what helped Sony win the last gen console war. They have to do it to make their platform viable since that's what the competition is also doing. On top of that, MS has provided a heap of funds and stability to Remedy for this project.

I hate exclusives too, but it's a fact of life and games ARE a product designed to make money.

[sidetwo]

Don't blame MS for grabbing exclusives - it's what helped Sony win the last gen console war. They have to do it to make their platform viable since that's what the competition is also doing. On top of that, MS has provided a heap of funds and stability to Remedy for this project.

I hate exclusives too, but it's a fact of life and games ARE a product designed to make money.
Exactly. To say that Microsoft are evil for doing exclusives is shallow because EVERYONE else is doing it as well.

Sony AND Nintendo.

Like dejay says it's a fact of life and you can't expect all games released to be multiplatform.

[thb]

I think you got me all wrong...
Im not just hating Mircrosoft, hell everybody does it. Im just saying wouldn't it be nice if nobody did it... or less of it. Oh yeah and I said its the Gamers that suffer not the Games.

[sidetwo]

Well it's been happening for a long long long time now and people just expect it nowadays. Sure it would be great but "in a perfect world"...

[Maddieman]

Oh yeah and I said its the Gamers that suffer not the Games.

You're right, I completely misread that part - sorry. :o But yeah, generally I agree with you, it's not fair on gamers - especially those on a tight budget (like me :heh:)

[thb]

Maddieman: it's not fair on gamers - especially those on a tight budget (like me )

Yep same, if only 360s were selling for 100$ instead of 400$ then I'd be all over one.