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    There's just something to be found about all of this...
    "Because you won, I am speaking in a Dramatic Voice"

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    • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

      Probably a lot could be found about all of this. Maybe it could be a matter of just looking at the right places. Or maybe not…by the way, are we still talking about Agent Nightingale? Yeah, what’s up with that guy? Are we talking about him being chosen as the new “face” of Darkness? Is this true? Agent Nightingale is really the new “face” of Darkness? I thought his story is still part of the cliffhanger ending? He could just be touched by the Dark Presence, and then released. Just like Rose. But now he is the “face” of Darkness?! Wow, is this fact or speculation?

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      • Alane Wake Ending(some spoilers)

        Alright, so when i beat alan wake my impression was that, alan had created mr scrach in his story "the return" wich is the plot of american nightmare, as a representation of his darker, sucidal and all around insane side that you frequently see in the Tv screens. the point of writing the return was to overcome his insane side via beating mr scratch in the story and having it come true, allowing him then to focus on freeing himself(and or zane) from the darkplace with out worrying about getting lost in his own insanity.
        The only flaw i see in my interpritation is that apon further review i noticed that Zane had talked about mr scratch as if he knew him. so if mr scratch was a fictional character representing alans insanity how could zane know him

        the only thing i could possabily say to explain this is rather far fetched
        in that during the very end it seemed to show alan wake rewind time via his story and set things off to a better ending, in the paradox of time any changes of the past have alredy happened, so its possabile that way that Zane would know of mr scratch. So i dont think this is likly the case, What do you all think?

        Lastly the whole "its not a lake its ocean", A he sounded possed and dark when he said that, and B zane also refrences the lake actualy being a ocean in the very begining of the game. What this all means i dont know, thoughts?

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        • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

          Hello Dudes and Dudettes! I’m writing this post in relation to the topic about Nightingale being discussed previously in several postings above. I have something in mind that puzzles me. Just a little bit, a wee bit of information. I was just wondering how does one become the “Face” of Darkness. In the story of the Alan Wake game, there is a folktale about a scratching hag terrorizing the town of Bright Falls for some 30 or 40 years now. Some people who live in Bright Falls believe this as a myth, and some people believe she is real. Some people are even presumed to write songs about her – “Scratching hag, you can rake your claws and gnash your crooked teeth” – There is a lot of mythology behind the “Face” of Darkness. I mean, Barbara Jagger is probably inspired from Baba Yaga, a haggish, witchlike character from Slavic Folklore. In this folktale, Baba Yaga lives in a hut or log cabin with chicken legs, and Jagger has Bird Leg Cabin.

          A lot of similarities there I guess; and Jagger’s character as we know now comes from this deep mythology. But it doesn’t answer yet how does one become the “Face” of Darkness. In the Alan Wake game, Jagger was the “Face” of Darkness. How did she become one? Was Jagger chosen as the “Face” of Darkness or was she written? As I understood in the Alan Wake game, Jagger died first, and then Zane wrote Jagger back to Life but she comes out something different with a heart full of Darkness. That’s where Jagger became the “Face” of Darkness. Now, my questions are, what if Zane did not write Jagger back to Life, would there be a “Face” of Darkness? If there is, would this “Face” still be Jagger? Would there be still a “Scratching Hag” that would terrorize Bright Falls? Does the Dark Presence has the power to choose its “Face” or should it be written first like Zane did? Now that Jagger is gone, can the Dark Presence choose a “New Face” freely or should it be written again first like Zane did with Jagger? But “Who” is going to Write the “New Face” of Darkness? Alan Wake? Why would Alan do that? I thought he was trying to destroy the Dark Presence, now why would Alan try to write it back? Is he insane? Alan just destroyed Jagger, the “Face” of Darkness, and now Alan Wake is going to write it back with a “New Face?” Oyoyoy! I think that is Madness!

          If Nightingale would be the “New Face” of Darkness, was he chosen or written? And what would be the mythology behind Nightingale? Bird’s Nest Cabin? The Singing Shag? Terrorize the Town with Night Singing? Some say that a “Gale” is a strong wind. So, maybe Nightingale’s mythology could be to terrorize the town with Strong Winds at Night? Hmmm…….Interesting. F@ck, that sounds like a wicked “Face” of the Dark Presence! But the question is, was he chosen or was he written? If Nightingale indeed would be the “New Face” of Darkness, that is. And “Who” wrote it? Alan Wake? Again, that would be Madness! Why would Alan Wake do that? What do you think Dudes and Dudettes?

          These are just the questions I’ve been wondering about the “Face” of Darkness and the “New Face” of Darkness. I wonder if these questions would bring this thread back to life and alive again.


          Cheers Everyone!

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          • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

            Anybody out there……………………….Dudes? Dudettes? Care to stretch your Neurons and help me out here.

            Just to stir things up a bit, I would like to add a couple of things from what I’ve mentioned before above. As I’ve understood in the Alan Wake game, Jagger became the “Face” of the Dark Presence when Zane wrote Jagger from the dead. But Zane could not do it right, instead Jagger came back to Life as the “Face” of the Dark Presence.

            Now, can the Dark Presence choose its “Face” or does somebody needs to write it first like Zane did? If the Dark Presence can choose freely anytime, then Zane need not write Jagger back to life and make that mistake, right? If the Dark Presence can choose freely anytime even if Zane doesn’t write Jagger back to life, that means Zane doesn’t need to make that mistake and there won’t be any Balance needed. Why make the mistake when Zane doesn’t need to in the first place, right? Therefore, there is no balance needed if the Dark Presence could just choose anybody, anytime. And Alan Wake shouldn’t be stuck in the Dark Place because there is no Balance in the first place. But in the game, Zane did write Jagger back to life, and she came out as the “Face” of the Dark Presence. That’s how Jagger came about to be the “Face” of the Dark Presence and that is Zane’s mistake. So now, the Balance metaphor exists because of that. That’s how the story goes. That’s how I understood it.

            But now that Jagger is gone, can the Dark Presence choose freely or does it need to follow the story and this Balance metaphor again that somebody should die first and then a “Writer” writes this dead person back to life and make a mistake so that the Dark Presence can have a “New Face?” That’s how Jagger came about as the “Face” of the Dark Presence in the first place, right? If the Dark Presence needs a “New Face” can it choose freely or does it need to be written first just like Zane did? If the Dark Presence can choose its “New Face” freely, then there is no Balance again. Why did Zane make a mistake of writing Jagger back to life in the beginning if the Dark Presence could just freely choose Jagger without Zane writing it in the first place? If the Dark Presence could now choose freely anytime its “New Face,” then the Dark Presence could also choose Jagger in the beginning without Zane writing Jagger back to life. That would break this Balancing metaphor including Zane’s mistake and Alan being stuck in the Dark Place!

            So, does this mean that the Dark Presence can’t choose a “New Face” without a Writer writing it? Hmmm…Interesting! “Who” would “Write” it now? Don’t tell me it’s Alan Wake because that is Madness! Again Alan Wake just defeated Jagger, his enemy! Why is Alan going to write the “New Face” for the Dark Presence if the Dark Presence is the enemy? Oyoyoy! Madness!

            What do you think Dudes and Dudettes? Can you help me out with this dilemma?


            Cheers Everybody!

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            • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

              I don't have answers, but I can stir the pot some more. Who knows maybe I come up with something while I write (think).

              What are the requirements to become the dark host...dead? Do you need an tragic story to become one? Like you said, the town folk created the legend of the old hag, who drowned at the lake and is now haunting Brightfalls.

              If Nightingale is the new face, we don't know yet but it is the one that has majority of votes to become one. What is his story? You might have answered your question yourself.

              Maybe it doesn't choose it's new face, but the people with their inclination to create ghost stories from horrible events does.

              No... but Zane brought it back before the folk stories, or did he??

              Man, why can't we know what Zane wrote. Cos maybe when Zane wrote Barbara back, he also had to write about the drowning so it would match the situation he was in. He was probably going for a sweet romantic type of poem where the two lover rejoin each other.
              The dark beings, or the lake thought otherwise and created this monster story of the dead bride, because that makes more sense than a happy reunion with Zane and Barbara. Barbara is dead you numb nuts!!

              So here we are again, how does the new face come to be and I've got nothing.

              Rusty's death, could be explained by some giant bear attack. Don't ask!!

              Hartman's death. This could be a interesting story, Hartman disappears mysteriously, when bunch of loonies escape the lodge. Is now haunting the lodge, drawn into people that create art.

              Nightingale's death...killed mysteriously in the police station, while....I don't know this is going no where.

              Well I tried, hope this gives you some ideas, that you might share with us.
              I don't wanna be buried in a pet cemetary

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              • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                Yeah, some interesting ideas there Dude. That surely stirred the pot a little bit more for everyone……......but not for me (Sneaky Me!)

                I don’t think the stories from the townsfolk created the story of Zane and Jagger. If the townsfolk did that, then there is no Balance again because their story is just created by the townsfolk. And there are people connected to Zane and Jagger, like Dr. Hartman and Cynthia Weaver. Are they created by stories of the townsfolk too? I doubt it.

                I would rather stick to the actual story of the game where Zane wrote Jagger back from the dead. But Zane could not do it right, instead Jagger came back to Life as the “Face” of the Dark Presence. That’s how Jagger came about to be the “Face” of the Dark Presence and that is how Zane made this Balancing mistake. So now, the Balance metaphor exists because of that. Cynthia Weaver even mentions this mistake in the game. And so did Alan Wake. That’s how the story goes. That’s how I understood it. But that’s just me…….....(Again, Sneaky, Sneaky Me!)

                And about Zane’s writing is not such a big deal to me. We can know it or we can’t, it’s not so important in the game’s story. What is important in the game’s story is that Zane made a mistake. Zane’s mistake is the reason why Alan Wake is saying these Balancing metaphors that Zane did not follow correctly. I believe that is what’s important in the game’s story. But that’s just me………….(Again, Triple Sneaky Me!)

                I don’t mind Nightingale being the “New Face” of Darkness. I think the mythology behind his name is kind of cool as well. I mean, “Gale” for “Strong Wind,” and then at Night – “Nightingale” – that’s perfect! I like the “Singing Shag” too, you know, terrorize the town with wild, strong, “Howling” wind (and maybe some “Night Shagging” too! F@ck, I’m getting Hrny again!)

                My only concern about Nightingale being the “New Face” of Darkness is that we see it happening at the end of the first Alan Wake game. And in my own understanding, again this is just me; Nightingale’s story at the end of the first game is still part of the “Departure” story. You see, for me, the ending story of the first game is still written in the “Departure” story. Near the end of the game, Alan said he knows how to write the ending of the story. And when Jagger was eliminated in the end, Alan sat down and writes this ending until he finishes typing which is the “Ellipsis,” the “three dots or periods” that we see before the end credits roll. For me, that was the end of the “Departure” manuscript.

                Meaning, Nightingale’s story in the end of the game where he stands behind Rose looking suspicious inside a dark room is still part of the “Departure” story. And who wrote the “Departure” story? – Alan Wake – Now, if Nightingale is the “New Face” of Darkness, that means Alan Wake wrote it inside his “Departure” ending story. Now why would Alan Wake do that? Is he insane?! Alan just finished-off Jagger and now Alan is also writing Nightingale as the “New Face” of Darkness? What the F@ck!!! I thought Alan Wake was trying to destroy the Dark Presence? As a matter of fact, Alan just destroyed Jagger, the “Face” of Darkness, and now Alan is also writing Nightingale as the “New Face” of Darkness? Is he F@cking Mad?!!!

                I would be terribly disappointed with Alan if Nightingale would really come out as the “New Face” of Darkness. I mean, for me, it would come out as if this is Alan Wake’s own Mad Idea about Nightingale being the “New Face” of Darkness. But that’s just me………..(Again, Quadruple Sneaky Me!)

                Anyway, the question is not answered yet, and that is if the Dark Presence needs a “New Face,” can it choose freely anytime or does it need to be written first just like Zane did? Now that Jagger is gone, can the Dark Presence choose freely or does it need to follow the story and this Balance metaphor again that somebody should die first and then a “Writer” writes this dead person back to life and make a mistake so that the Dark Presence can have a “New Face?” That’s how Jagger came about as the “Face” of the Dark Presence in the first place, right? If the Dark Presence can choose its “New Face” freely anytime, then there is no Balance again. Why did Zane make a mistake of writing Jagger back to life in the beginning if the Dark Presence could just freely choose Jagger without Zane writing it in the first place? If the Dark Presence could now choose freely anytime its “New Face,” then the Dark Presence could also choose Jagger in the beginning without Zane writing Jagger back to life. That would break this Balancing metaphor including Zane’s mistake and Alan being stuck in the Dark Place!

                So, does this mean that the Dark Presence can’t choose a “New Face” without a Writer writing it? If that is the case, “Who” would “Write” it now? Pleeeeeease don’t tell me it’s Alan Wake again because that is just F@cking Madness!

                What do you think Dudes and Dudettes of the Free World? Care to stretch those Neurons of yours and help us out here with this dilemma?


                Cheers Everybody!

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                • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                  Originally posted by Jill
                  I don’t think the stories from the townsfolk created the story of Zane and Jagger. If the townsfolk did that, then there is no Balance again because their story is just created by the townsfolk. And there are people connected to Zane and Jagger, like Dr. Hartman and Cynthia Weaver. Are they created by stories of the townsfolk too? I doubt it.
                  No I didn't mean they created the Zane, Jagger story. I meant that the ghost stories, that people make AFTER when things like Jagger drowning happen.
                  In a similar way that AWAN Scratch came to be, except it was rumors in that case.
                  But no I don't think that's it either...maybe.

                  What I was speculating was that it needs an certain type of person and a story to take over.
                  I don't wanna be buried in a pet cemetary

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                  • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                    Yeah, that’s a good one Dude. But just like you’ve said, I don’t think that’s it either. Zane and Jagger are real in the Game’s story. I would rather stick to that story. That’s how Jagger came about to be the “Face” of the Dark Presence and that is how Zane made this Balancing mistake in this story. And this Balance metaphor exists because of that story. I think I would rather stick to that story, the Game’s real story.

                    So, the question is still not answered yet, and that is if the Dark Presence needs a “New Face,” can it choose freely anytime or does it need to be written first just like Zane did? After all, that’s how Jagger came about as the “Face” of the Dark Presence in the first place, right? That’s how Zane made the mistake and that’s how the Balancing metaphor came about as well, right? And if the “New Face” of Darkness needs to be written, “Who” is going to “Write” it now?.....................Don’t even say his name because you already know – It’s Madness!

                    What do you think folks? Can you stretch those Neurons and help us shed some light on this dilemma? Dudes and Dudettes of the Free World? Feel Free to share with us your deepest, darkest ocean green!


                    Cheers Everybody!

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                    • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                      Hello again Dudes and Dudettes! I’m back to give this thread a little stirring again. So, it seems like nobody wants to stretch their Neurons and share to us their deepest, darkest ocean green. Since “Nobody” knows if the Dark Presence could choose its “New Face” freely anytime or not, I will give you something to think about. Here, check this manuscript page below:



                      The Dark Presence Sleeps

                      For decades, the darkness that wore Barbara Jagger's skin slept fitfully in the dark place that was its home and prison. It was hungry and in pain. It dreamed of its nights of glory when the poet's writing had called it from the depths and given it a brief, terrible taste of power and freedom. The rock stars had stirred it from the deep sleep the poet had sunk it back to in the end.



                      This page above is found in Episode 3 of the game and on the Menu Screen of the game. Check out the “Bold” words on this page above – “the poet’s writing had called it from the depths” – This manuscript page describes how the Dark Presence dreamed of the time when Zane’s writing had called “It” from the depths and gave “It” a brief power and freedom. Zane is the one who “Wrote” and “Called” the “Dark Presence” from the depths and made Jagger the “New Face” of Darkness at that time. Zane is responsible for “Calling” the Dark Presence from the depths. The Dark Presence did not choose Jagger, Zane did! Zane’s writing had called it from the depths! At that time, the Dark Presence did not choose its “New Face” freely. Zane’s writing did!

                      Now, let’s go back to the present time. Jagger is now gone. The Dark Presence may need a “New Face.” If the Dark Presence needs a “New Face,” can it choose freely anytime or does it need to be written first just like Zane did? Now that Jagger is gone, can the Dark Presence choose freely or does it need to follow the story and this Balance metaphor again that somebody should die first and then a “Writer” writes this dead person back to life and make a mistake so that the Dark Presence can have a “New Face." After all, that’s how Jagger came about as the “Face” of the Dark Presence in the first place, right? According to the manuscript page above, that’s how Zane wrote and called the Dark Presence from the depths. That’s how Zane made the mistake and that’s how the Balancing metaphor came about as well, right?

                      There are a lot of indications that points to the “New Face” of Darkness being written first and not really chosen by the Dark Presence just like Zane did to Jagger before. Does this mean that the “New Face” of Darkness really needs to be written first? And if the “New Face” of Darkness needs to be written first, “Who” is going to “Write” it now?.....................Again, don’t even say his name because you already know – It’s just F@cking Madness!

                      What do you think now folks? Again just feel Free to share with us your deepest, darkest ocean green!


                      Cheers Everyone!
                      Last edited by Jill; 05-14-2012, 12:41 AM.

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                      • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                        Just finished the game..
                        Red most of the pages but I wanted to post my own take on things before i forgot them

                        SPOILLLER:

                        1- Mr. Scratchy or Mr. Evil: I will point two scenes at the end cut scene of the game. First of all we see Alan using the clicker and they show the mountain peak and the lake. Right after that a very small scene where Alan or MR. Scratchy is opening his eyes. So I think he is waking up as Alan starts writing the ending in the cabin. Right after that 2 second scene we see Alice swimming up towards the surface. Second is that we see Alan writing the ending: he writes " It was not a lake but an ocean.. " When he says " the ocean " part his voice distorts and sounds like the taken`s voice we hear through out the game when they attack us. That takes me to the manuscript page where it says" darkness knew it needed the writers mind. Taken were only shells to use they had no mind. That`s why darkness only touches Alan. "
                        NOW very important part ( i didn`t see anyone mention this ): remember Alan can`t write? Why? I don`t know so if anyone knows please enlighten me. BUT when he tries to write ( like at doctors lodge he wanted to write something fake but couldn`t) the bright white paper shines and almosts hurts his eyes like TAKEN!
                        So my theory (if I connect all of these ) would be that at the end Alan seperated his own taken self or Tom did ( which I think Tom is Alan or Alan is Tom`s son but that is another theory anyway look number 2 for this please) as MR. Scrathy. He isn`t evil like the dark presence. I think he only is a `bad guy` remember flashback where Alice is angry at Alan cause he drank too much and worried his wife that kind of a bad guy.
                        Also Alice says in her voice record he is not the man she married with, he changed a lot, he doesn`t even WRITE anymore and keeps her worrying. When Alan rewinded the time.. He didn`t rewind it just to the day arrived at bright falls or when Alice drowned. He rewinded it WAAAAY before. that explains why Alan can`t write cause he is Mr. Scratchy not the real one. The real one is still trapped in darkness and still is touched by darkness thats why even if he is trying to end darkness he can`t cause no matter how much he resists he sometimes obeys the darkness. hence his voice changing during the `ocean` part. That was not HIM writing that to make a twist that was DARKNESS that wanted to beat Alan and become much more stronger to come back in his story. Since compared to lakes oceans are much more bigger and endless. Guess that was like a wise move made by darkness or an insurance to come back into the story. And the story Alan writes? I think he was trying to write it from the very begining :not JUST to change the ending. A hint for this: at the first nightmare he says " he was a hitchhiker from a story I have been working on.." how is that possible? Wasn`t Alan unable to write for a while ? Wasn`t that the reason why they came to Bright Falls in the first place? ( Considering Alice`s intentions anyway) So how can that be a character -and obviously a horror story character from the way he looks) Alan was working on considering he was unable to write?

                        Who knows heck it maybe even a loop that goes on and on.. Like Alan tries to write the story but it never ends perfect like he wants to thus he keeps changing the story by rewinding the time?..



                        2- Tom and Alan.

                        I think:
                        a) Tom and Alan could be related - father and son. Which can mean that Barbara was his mother. He doesn`t recognise her even though he meets him at the diner for the first time cause he was adopted. ( yeah very cliche! XD )
                        b) Alan is Tom`s imagination. His main character he wrote the first time when he was fighting with the darkness in the 70`s. Remember everything written by the lake comes true? That is why Alan became reality.
                        c) Similiar to b, when Tom was writing the ending he wanted a loophole in the darkness thats why he wrote about a kid named Alan which could be the main hero if the darkness wanted to rise again. Darkness knew about Alan cause it read the manuscript when Tom first wrote it. That is why it was Alan the darkness was after not just another Joe. It said in a script page again that darkness was sleeping deep in the lake and opened its eyes when it felt the presence of the writer in the ferry.

                        Also in a cript page we learn that Tom had an asistant. What is his relation to all this it said Tom wanted to keep writing for his assistant. Who could that be and his role in this sroty?
                        And don`t they say that Barbara died by the lake 2 weeks before Alan and his wife came to bright falls at the beggining of the game?.. Think it was at the diner, Rose said it?

                        There are many more stuff to write but I become scatter brain so more to come later if i can dig it more.
                        Last edited by funkyclover; 05-20-2012, 06:30 PM.

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                        • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                          I don’t think that’s it either. Several people already mentioned it before here on this same thread that if Alan is just in the Dark Place writing everything and then rewound time and sends Mr. Scratch back in time to follow the story, it would produce multiple Alan Wakes and Mr. Scratches getting stuck in the Dark Place as the story progresses. The only way that Mr. Scratch could go back in time and avoid creating multiple Alan Wakes as the story progresses is if Mr. Scratch would go back in time as Alan Wake. Like Mr. Scratch goes back as Alan Wake. Like Mr. Scratch is Alan Wake and Alan Wake is Mr. Scratch. But that’s just ME! (Sneaky, Sneaky ME!)


                          Cheers!
                          Last edited by Jill; 05-20-2012, 08:13 PM.

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                          • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                            I hope there is still someone active in this thread

                            So, I want to share some of my thoughts about the game, mainly about the plot and ending. So let's start from the very begining.
                            1. The story starts with the Alan's nightmare. In that nightmare, Alan says, that the man in shadows who is trying to kill him, is a hero of a story he has written, but he doesn't remember any words of it. But wait, stop for a moment. He hasn't arrived to Bright Falls yet, so how the hell he could have written that story ?! So in this case, how should we interpretate this chapter? Is it a part of a story he is going to write, I mean, a chapter of a story we were playing whole the game? Or, maybe, everything is a story created by Zane ?
                            2.How should we explain that Divers's Island ? I mean, how would they see it, and get there, if it was just below the lake, under the water ? The only way to explain it, is that Bright Falls is a strange place, and strange things happens there, even without Alan's story.
                            3.Lets take a look at the behaviour of Alice. She wants Alan to write. There are several situation, when we see, that she wants him to go back to writing: On the begining, in some of the cutscenes... and Alan doesnt like it at all. Similar situation with Dr Hartman. And this is also an interseting thing : Why Alan CAN"T write anything. It dosent look like he is out of inspiration, it seemse more like he is terrified with that blank piece of paper. And now we should ask : Why everyone wants Alan go back to writing, and why he can't do this?
                            4.Zane "itself", how did he get into the story? As I remember, in the movies Alan realized, that the dark powers want him to write a horror, and it is not a correct way to rescue Alice. He wrote himslef into a story. And, as we know from the cutscene, after he drank some of Anderson's alcochol, he got out of the cabin, with Zane's help. Zane is also the one, who gives Alan the papers of the story he wrote, cause, as he said, the plot has to be free. But wait, did Alan wrote him into the story? Or has he just "happend"?
                            5. Let's skip to the final chapter, to the last moments. And here we have Mr. Scratch. Who the hell is he?! On Wikipedia, he is shown as someone bad, as Mr. Devil. So why Zane gave him as a replacement for Alan? And again, why ZANE did it. Whose story is it, Alan's or Zane's? Why Zane has got so huge control of the story? He rescued Alan in some cases. He gave him the main item of the game, btw how the hell he has that Clicker?! .
                            And now, that freaking line "it's not a lake, it's an ocean" : It HAS TO be connected with the very begining, again with Zane, with the words he said, about the green ocean beyond the lake. But what does it really mean ?
                            6. Let's take a look at Bright Falls after Alan jumped into the lake. Hartman, Rose, Nightindale, everyone is alive, like nothing happend. But Rose and Nightindale replaced old Cinthia And Barbara. Who did it? Is it possible that Alan sacriface everything, even himself and the peace in Bright Falls just for Alice?

                            So now, lets find a theory. For me it seems a little bit like it's Zane, who created Alan and his life, and his mission was to help Zane with something. But helps with what ? Was Zane a possitive Character? Maybe it's he, who created a "good" reality, just to make Alan ... I will finish it by the moment wait
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                            • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                              ... to make Alan belive in what he says, and "force" him to finish it.

                              BTW: The theory with shizoprhenia is godd, very good... but too simply for me. The only thing that doesnt match this one, is a Deerfest in Bright Falls, with Rose and agent, as you know who...


                              But after sometime... U remember what was said at the begining? Alan said, that every horror story should have a mysterious ending... And here we are. Maybe there is nothing to think about?

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                              • Re: Alan Wake Ending Theories (Spoilers)

                                After skimming through a few posts in this thread, the 'schizophrenia' theory makes the most sense but it can't be so cut-and-dry as it seems to ignore the most significant element of Alan Wake's journey that stuck out like a sore thumb to me : It REEKS of guilt and resentment. I actually played the game when it came out on the 360 and had already made the following theory after I got done with it, but it was more of a fleeting thought that I just sorta brushed away. I recently finished the game on the PC again and that repressed revelation reared it's head again. If I ignore any significant plot elements or if I contradict myself, feel free to point that out but don't flame me...Please . So, here we go:

                                Alan Wake is most definitely schizophrenic. One of the defining traits of a person diagnosed with this mental ailment is creativity, and that is how our protagonist manages to become a successful writer. Now, the game doesn't tell you when or how Alan and Alice got hitched, but it would be a good bet to assume that it was after his breakout into the mainstream literary world. Now this is where it gets a little ambiguous : Did Alice marry Alan because she saw that he was a great way to be set-for-life and that his mental illness made him easily manipulable OR was it a textbook romance. Either way, this
                                doesn't seem to particularly matter to the next part of my theory, which we shall get to shortly. Of all the flashback sequences, the one where Alan wakes up all hungover and sh** stood out to me the most. Because:
                                a) Alan seemed to detest the light and was desperate to put on his sunglasses.
                                b) Alice was getting increasingly naggy about Alan's writing and their marriage was slowly failing.
                                Another interesting tidbit was the tivo segment with Sam Lake, where the host questions Wake about an incident with the paparazzi, which clearly shows that Alan had anger management problems as a direct result of his schizophrenia, although he doesn't have an actual episode until later on. All of which, finally brings me to the actual meat of the theory:

                                Alan Wake killed his wife.

                                "Why the f**k would he do that?" is the obvious question at this stage, but think about it. Why is Alice always telling Alan to write in all of his flashbacks and even in the opening sections of the game? That HAS to serve a point. And when Alan becomes increasingly detached from his writing, Alice decides to employ the services of Emil Hartman in Bright Falls. So, basically, the possibility of Alan being drunk one night, being constantly berated and nagged by his wife to write and then going full schizo and killing her is high. The specific location of the murder is debatable, but I'm willing to bet Alan pushes her in a fit of rage from a high place, accidentally or otherwise (This is alluded to in Bird's Leg Cabin, where Alice is supposedly pushed by Barbara Jagger into the lake, where she drowns.) After killing Alice, Alan is consumed by guilt and decides to escape to Bright Falls (as he already knows about the place because of Alice's wish to seek Emil's help). Alice's disappearance in New York and Alan's little vacation makes him a wanted fugitive, which explains the FBI's involvement (Nightingale, anyone?). Alan imagines Alice to be there with him while he travels via boat to the town and imagines Barbara Jagger in the restroom (wtf was she doing there, anyway?) . There were no keys to the cabin, because there was no cabin at all. At this point Alan begins to construct this huge elaborate fantasy in his head in order to convince himself that he is not guilty (which makes up for most of the plot with zane, barbara, the dark place etc.), totally schizes out and crashes his car. Then he wakes up and proceeds into the forest and has paranoid delusions of guys wielding axes covered in clouds of black.

                                Now, naturally I have some doubts about my own theory:
                                a) Is Alice a manipulative b**** who sought to take advantage of Alan's condition or an innocent victim of Alan's mental instability?
                                b) Does Emil Hartman also seek to milk some cash out of the writer himself by institutionalizing him?
                                c) Does Alan imagine the Taken or are the Taken actually real people that Alan kills in his paranoid hallucinatory state. This can be further exemplified by the fact that the Taken utter lines that seem normal when taken out of context but sound warped and twisted like to a guy who is having a bad acid trip.

                                And now for the huge gaping holes in my theory:
                                a) Barry and Sheriff Breaker can see the Taken. Are they figments of Alan's imagination as well, in which case he would have to have a s***load of imaginary people in his head because they seem to correspond with the locals normally.
                                b) Rose being touched by the dark presence and her weirdness being out in the open, in addition to that sinister glare she gives you in the ending cinematic.
                                c) Cynthia Weaver

                                I know my theory reads more like a fanfic, but the basic idea is still there. Now, someone just has to explain the gaping holes.

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