[Kranitoko]

This is a double post, but I was wondering if Remedy could tell us this:

Are Poets of the Fall returning to do a song or 2?

[N2O1990]

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Originally Posted by Kranitoko

I never said Microsoft have bought them. I said that people WANT Microsoft to buy Remedy.

i said "they",not "you"!

[MikkiRMD]

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Originally Posted by Kranitoko

People on N4G are complaining about the screenshot above.

You mean the photograph of somebody's TV screen that somebody posted back in May?

I'm not commenting on the picture itself (my "won't confirm or deny rumors" policy is still in effect!), but you might want to take into account the source. =)

[MikkiRMD]

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Originally Posted by Kranitoko

This is a double post, but I was wondering if Remedy could tell us this:

Are Poets of the Fall returning to do a song or 2?

Unfortunately, I just can't talk about this kind of stuff yet, it would kind of steal the thunder from the official reveal. =)

[revan]

I am very disappointed...

I was looking forward to a real sequal of Alan Wake and all we get is a Live Arcade titel... I am a fan of deep core games, with lot if content and I dislike the trend of tiny casual download games which dont't give you value for money!

No Thanks, Remedy. You lost a core gamer and a real fan of Alan Wake 1!

[MikkiRMD]

"Don't give you value for money..." Heh. Oh, ye of little faith.

[sidetwo]

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Originally Posted by revan

I am very disappointed...

I was looking forward to a real sequal of Alan Wake and all we get is a Live Arcade titel... I am a fan of deep core games, with lot if content and I dislike the trend of tiny casual download games which dont't give you value for money!

No Thanks, Remedy. You lost a core gamer and a real fan of Alan Wake 1!

You're assuming a lot by the platform it is on. All I can say is wait for the official announcement before making up your mind.

[revan]

Well, I dont't think that any Arcade titel will ba a cinematic, thrilling, AAA production like Alan Wake 1.

And Alan Wake 1 deserves no Arcade game, but a real sequal...

There are good reasons Bioshock Infinite, Uncharted 3 and Skyrim (or any other big IP) are no download titel only...

[MikkiRMD]

There's nothing I can really say to that without talking about the game in detail, which I can't do, so all I can say is that if your only standard for a quality is a full-priced retail game, I'm sorry to hear that, but as far as the "value for money" argument goes, I think I can say without any hyperbole that we've definitely got you covered on that front. Of course it's still up to you whether you like it, but maybe you'd like to, y'know, see something about the game before you pronounce it horrible? =)

[Kranitoko]

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Originally Posted by MikkiRMD

There's nothing I can really say to that without talking about the game in detail, which I can't do, so all I can say is that if your only standard for a quality is a full-priced retail game, I'm sorry to hear that, but as far as the "value for money" argument goes, I think I can say without any hyperbole that we've definitely got you covered on that front. Of course it's still up to you whether you like it, but maybe you'd like to, y'know, see something about the game before you pronounce it horrible? =)

Lets make a prediction on the release date ;P

OK so its an XBLA game, so I presume early 2012?

[revan]

No, you got me wrong. It is not that simple that I just don't like download games...

However, the past has shown that there is on the one hand a connection between small casual games (like a snack) and arcade games; and on the other hand a connection beween AAA productions, with lot of content, and retail selling...

And the reason is the cause of the fact that AAA products have high development costs, and arcade games are most of the time a lot cheaper than reatail games: so that doesn't get along with each other...

So, as far as I can see, my fears are nothing but very rational...

[SierraJohn117]

is this a kinect game?

[labwarrior]

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Originally Posted by SierraJohn117

is this a kinect game?

It is 99.9999% certain imo, a smaller title to introduce Kinect in the franshise and then use of this tech in Alan Wake 2

Like what they do with Fable Journey i suppose

BTW more 360 games should really go out and buy Alan wake, i dont get why one of my best games of all time has not got as many sales as it should

[AeddGynvael]

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Originally Posted by SierraJohn117

is this a kinect game?

I doubt it.
Or want to doubt it.
Remedy wouldn't do this to its fans - if there is Kinect support, I think it will be optional.
I don't think they'd make a Kinect-only AW game.
At least I hope so.

[skinki]

No retail version? Is Microsoft the publisher?

[Kranitoko]

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Originally Posted by AeddGynvael

I doubt it.
Or want to doubt it.
Remedy wouldn't do this to its fans.
At least I hope so.

If that menu screen is real, then it definitely uses controllers.

If it has Kinect support (as in it's optional), what's wrong with that? So many people complain: "Oh I hope it doesn't have Kinect support". They even say that when it also uses a controller. Where is the harm in adding optional Kinect support?!

[labwarrior]

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Originally Posted by AeddGynvael

I doubt it.
Or want to doubt it.
Remedy wouldn't do this to its fans.
At least I hope so.

Wont be a Kinect only game, will probably use the pad and Kinect in some ways

[LonelyGreyWolf]

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Originally Posted by SierraJohn117

is this a kinect game?

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Originally Posted by labwarrior

It is 99.9999% certain imo, a smaller title to introduce Kinect in the franshise and then use of this tech in Alan Wake 2

Like what they do with Fable Journey i suppose

It wouldn't make any sense to have motion controls in Alan Wake. Possibly if you use both a Kinect and a controller (I don't know, to point the flashlight by looking at the screen), but it's absolutely impossible to play a game like Alan Wake using a Kinect only, unless it's on-rails.

So anyway, it's nice that we'll see Night Springs in December. I'll most likely watch the trailer on GT right after the show, as I have no intention of watching the VGAs. I just looked at the GOTY nominees a few minutes ago and two of the games aren't even out yet. I love how the people behind VGA think. But I'm sure looking forward to seeing the announcement, even though I'm a tad disappointed that it's a downloadable title. I'm sure it's enough value for my money and all that, it's just that I prefer to own a physical copy of my games. Granted I'll still buy it; it'll be the second XBLA game I ever buy, first one being the surprisingly awesome Plants vs Zombies.

[AeddGynvael]

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Originally Posted by Kranitoko

If that menu screen is real, then it definitely uses controllers.

If it has Kinect support (as in it's optional), what's wrong with that? So many people complain: "Oh I hope it doesn't have Kinect support". They even say that when it also uses a controller. Where is the harm in adding optional Kinect support?!

Didn't say I'm against there being OPTIONAL Kinect support, since it'd be a useless and trivial addition, like in Mass Effect 3, for example.
That's like saying I'm against gamepads working on PCs. No, I'm not.
I am, however, strongly against the game being a Kinect TITLE.
Not implying it will be, just stating the possibility.
It DID turn out to be an XBLA game.
Maybe I didn't put it well enough in that post you quoted, so I wanted to clarify.

[MikkiRMD]

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Originally Posted by LonelyGreyWolf

it'll be the second XBLA game I ever buy, first one being the surprisingly awesome Plants vs Zombies.

Oh, man. Plants vs. Zombies is awesome. So good. So, so good. As far as your hard drive goes, we'll be in excellent company. =)

[LonelyGreyWolf]

Speaking of Kinect support, this is off-topic, but I just have to say that it's pretty hilarious what they wrote on the Forza 4 box: "Better with Kinect". Always makes me giggle. It should say: "Compatible with Kinect". I wonder what Turn 10 thought when they saw that MS slapped that Kinect logo on their game.

I'd even laugh if MS wrote "Better with Kinect" on the description for Night Springs.
What is this; false advertising? =D

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Originally Posted by MikkiRMD

Oh, man. Plants vs. Zombies is awesome. So good. So, so good. As far as your hard drive goes, we'll be in excellent company. =)

Ah, you enjoyed it as well? =) Yeah, it's a brilliant and totally addicting game. "Just one more level".

[N2O1990]

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Originally Posted by AeddGynvael

Didn't say I'm against there being OPTIONAL Kinect support, since it'd be a useless and trivial addition, like in Mass Effect 3, for example.
That's like saying I'm against gamepads working on PCs. No, I'm not.
I am, however, strongly against the game being a Kinect TITLE.
Not implying it will be, just stating the possibility.
It DID turn out to be an XBLA game.
Maybe I didn't put it well enough in that post you quoted, so I wanted to clarify.

please look at the screenshot again

[N2O1990]

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Originally Posted by LonelyGreyWolf

Speaking of Kinect support, this is off-topic, but I just have to say that it's pretty hilarious what they wrote on the Forza 4 box: "Better with Kinect". Always makes me giggle. It should say: "Compatible with Kinect". I wonder what Turn 10 thought when they saw that MS slapped that Kinect logo on their game.

thats MSUK/HQ problem,in Asia/Japan/Europe(non-english country),it just said "Compatible with Kinect"
but well,yes Forza 4 is better with kinect title,even just a little

[LonelyGreyWolf]

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Originally Posted by N2O1990

thats MSUK/HQ problem,in Asia/Japan/Europe(non-english country),it just said "Compatible with Kinect"
but well,yes Forza 4 is better with kinect title,even just a little

It says "Better with Kinect" in Sweden and this sure is a "non-English country", mate.

And you've got to be kidding, mate. We all have different opinions and I respect yours, but do you really think Forza 4 is better with Kinect? Have you even played the game with Kinect? You can't speed up, you can't brake: it's on-rails! A racer that's on-rails. What is this, the worlds first rail-racer? All you can do is steer left and right, that's it. If motion controls (in racing) is your thing, then I recommend getting a Wii or some third-party controller for your X360, because using the Kinect when racing isn't all that great.

[jkler]

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Originally Posted by MikkiRMD

Unfortunately, I just can't talk about this kind of stuff yet, it would kind of steal the thunder from the official reveal. =)

I'm sorry but this OBVIOUSLY means PotF will be featured. Not that it would have been a big surprise anyway. Hope the song is purpose-made.

[MikkiRMD]

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Originally Posted by jkler

I'm sorry but this OBVIOUSLY means PotF will be featured. Not that it would have been a big surprise anyway. Hope the song is purpose-made.

I meant, of course, that I can't talk about any of the content or features yet, which includes the music. =)

[N2O1990]

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Originally Posted by LonelyGreyWolf

It says "Better with Kinect" in Sweden and this sure is a "non-English country", mate.

And you've got to be kidding, mate. We all have different opinions and I respect yours, but do you really think Forza 4 is better with Kinect? Have you even played the game with Kinect? You can't speed up, you can't brake: it's on-rails! A racer that's on-rails. What is this, the worlds first rail-racer? All you can do is steer left and right, that's it. If motion controls (in racing) is your thing, then I recommend getting a Wii or some third-party controller for your X360, because using the Kinect when racing isn't all that great.

well,alright,but i can confirm Asia/Japan just "Compatible with Kinect"

And you've got to be kidding, mate.why you just look at on-rail drive mode?you don't know there is voice-control shortcut/autovista/head-tracking?do you even played Forza 4?huh?wat?yes?no?

another example of people hating Kinect for no reason

[Pauloselhombre]

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Originally Posted by revan

No, you got me wrong. It is not that simple that I just don't like download games...

However, the past has shown that there is on the one hand a connection between small casual games (like a snack) and arcade games; and on the other hand a connection beween AAA productions, with lot of content, and retail selling...

And the reason is the cause of the fact that AAA products have high development costs, and arcade games are most of the time a lot cheaper than reatail games: so that doesn't get along with each other...

So, as far as I can see, my fears are nothing but very rational...

Nothing personal, but that is flawed logic. With development costs higher now that they ever were, the quickest and cheapest distribution method is digital.

Look at the digital book publishing market. When the end result is quality and word of mouth spreads, there are people earning more money through sales for the Kindle than they would have got from a print publisher. In videogame terms, as long as MS make the marketing effort, a AAA title could make its cost back much quicker and easier through XBLA than it ever could through retail, and it saves the cost of manufacturing, shipping, etc.

Of course there are a lot of smaller, more casual, games on XBLA, but that doesn't prove anything other than that the size restrictions can cause problems (and that XBLA is an attractive distribution method for semi pro developers). Considering that Alan Wake could've been released on XBLA (sans video), it's pretty obvious that this limitation isn't as restrictive as it may appear. There are also plenty of ways around it (such as releasing the title in several smaller 'Chapters', 'Episodes', etc, and charging one set price at the start for the whole lot, much like the Gears of War 3 Season Pass that gets you all upcoming DLC and saves you money in the process).

Relax, you're getting worried for no reason.

[N2O1990]

people always looking something in one side,because another side is good thing which they don't wanna admit it

see,i just said "Forza 4 is better with kinect title,even just a little" and didn't even said why,then some controllerism guy trying to said i'm a "non-gamer""causal-gamer""go back to play your wii",because they don't even know there is something call "hybird-control""voice control"

ha,why don't you just say i'm a evil?

[Pauloselhombre]

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Originally Posted by N2O1990

well,alright,but i can confirm Asia/Japan just "Compatible with Kinect"

And you've got to be kidding, mate.why you just look at on-rail drive mode?you don't know there is voice-control shortcut/autovista/head-tracking?do you even played Forza 4?huh?wat?yes?no?

another example of people hating Kinect for no reason

While it would be easier to read your post with a bit more focus on grammar etc (although English may not be your first language, in which case I apologise), you have a point. People are way too quick to hate on Kinect (and motion control in general). If we all thought and acted like this during gaming's formative years we would still be stuck using a keyboard for every game (and yes, I mean without a mouse).

[nVin]

I am a little disappointed because I was waiting for AW 2 ... but this XBLA title buy on the first day. I have no doubt that Remedy will make an excellent game, and I'll be happy if the Night Springs will support Kinect (if so, then this is the first decent game for Kinect imo).

By the way guys, Night Springs sales have a major impact on the AW 2 and its exclusivity?

[Stark Viking]

Sad to hear about XBLA only, I don't buy anything from the Live marketplace(I don't want to be dependant on Live for my content to work)

If it came on disc with Alan Wake 1 and all its DLC included however...

[N2O1990]

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Originally Posted by Pauloselhombre

While it would be easier to read your post with a bit more focus on grammar etc (although English may not be your first language, in which case I apologise), you have a point. People are way too quick to hate on Kinect (and motion control in general). If we all thought and acted like this during gaming's formative years we would still be stuck using a keyboard for every game (and yes, I mean without a mouse).

if you don't understand what am i saying i am sorry because yes English is not my first language,not even second

[Pauloselhombre]

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Originally Posted by AeddGynvael

I doubt it.
Or want to doubt it.
Remedy wouldn't do this to its fans - if there is Kinect support, I think it will be optional.
I don't think they'd make a Kinect-only AW game.
At least I hope so.

I could see a spinoff working quite well to be honest. Point flashlight with one hand, shoot with the other (Ghost Recon's 'open hand to fire' seems to work pretty well,and could be used for both firing ant boosting the flashlight), move with a refined version of Rise of Nightmares' step forward or back to walk, perhaps having to drop both hands to your sides to run (much more tense running away with restricted vision, although being able to stun Taken with your flashlight as you go would be quite cool, so perhaps another solution such as crouching or a specific right-hand gesture would be better?). It could work pretty well. Unless you subscribe to what I like to call 'The Yahtzee Fallacy', ie that anything without a vibrating controller necessarily lacks immersion (yeah, because a small vibration administered to the hand is so much more immersive than actually having to physically react ), there really is no reason to assume that a Kinect title can't equal or better a controller-only title.

[Pauloselhombre]

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Originally Posted by N2O1990

if you don't understand what am i saying i am sorry because yes English is not my first language,not even second

Then ignore my comment about grammar

[labwarrior]

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Originally Posted by LonelyGreyWolf

It wouldn't make any sense to have motion controls in Alan Wake. Possibly if you use both a Kinect and a controller (I don't know, to point the flashlight by looking at the screen), but it's absolutely impossible to play a game like Alan Wake using a Kinect only, unless it's on-rails.

So anyway, it's nice that we'll see Night Springs in December. I'll most likely watch the trailer on GT right after the show, as I have no intention of watching the VGAs. I just looked at the GOTY nominees a few minutes ago and two of the games aren't even out yet. I love how the people behind VGA think. But I'm sure looking forward to seeing the announcement, even though I'm a tad disappointed that it's a downloadable title. I'm sure it's enough value for my money and all that, it's just that I prefer to own a physical copy of my games. Granted I'll still buy it; it'll be the second XBLA game I ever buy, first one being the surprisingly awesome Plants vs Zombies.

First, this game is not Alan Wake 2, so we dont know if it would make sense to use kinect or not yet

I am sure will be a hybrid game myself, pad + Kinect for some functionality

I doubt MS would pass Kinect use in this one, considering there is Kinect in almost every MS game in 2012 and they are many

Finally Rise of Nightmares shows that any game and movement can be done with Kinect, of course takes more improvement, but is doable

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Originally Posted by Stark Viking

Sad to hear about XBLA only, I don't buy anything from the Live marketplace(I don't want to be dependant on Live for my content to work)

If it came on disc with Alan Wake 1 and all its DLC included however...

Whatever you buy of Live, can be played offline, so you are not dependent at all

Also XBLA has some of the very best games this generation, like Alan Wake, Castle Crashers, Dust, Bastion, Clash of Heroes, Half Minute Hero, Limbo, Project Draco etc etc and is a pitty to miss them all

[Dennis]

Remedy, any information on the download size? Wondering if gamers with a XB 360 4gb are able to download it...

[LonelyGreyWolf]

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Originally Posted by labwarrior

First, this game is not Alan Wake 2, so we dont know if it would make sense to use kinect or not yet

I am sure will be a hybrid game myself, pad + Kinect for some functionality

I doubt MS would pass Kinect use in this one, considering there is Kinect in almost every MS game in 2012 and they are many

Finally Rise of Nightmares shows that any game and movement can be done with Kinect, of course takes more improvement, but is doable

Missing the point, mate. Completely missing the point =)

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Originally Posted by N2O1990

well,alright,but i can confirm Asia/Japan just "Compatible with Kinect"

And you've got to be kidding, mate.why you just look at on-rail drive mode?you don't know there is voice-control shortcut/autovista/head-tracking?do you even played Forza 4?huh?wat?yes?no?

another example of people hating Kinect for no reason

Relax, buddy. Yes, I've played Forza 4, and voice-controls is totally useless. It's cool and futuristic, but serves no real purpose, and it's faster to simply use a controller. Again, Kinect does not improve Forza 4 in any way.

I don't hate Kinect either, now you're just making assumptions. I do dislike it though, as it's pointless. And saying "no reason" is uncalled for. I have great reasons for disliking it. Which I've already said =)

[uroboros1981]

As far as I see, nobody confirmed that it'll be an Arcade game.
If it´s released in the Games on Demand section, there's quite a difference. Arcade games have a size limit of 2GB whereas GoD can be much bigger.

One reason I love Alan Wake 1 are the extensive cutscenes. That amount of (pre-rendered) cutscenes isn´t possible with an Arcade game.
So I hope it comes to Games on Demand... because without those movie-like cutscenes it would not be a "real" Alan Wake game - at least for me!

Whether it supports Kinect or not I don´t care. I have Kinect right here ready to use!

[Dawntown]

I don't have Xbox Live goddamit!!! What's the problem release disc version?