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Old 04-19-2010, 07:27 AM   #881
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Re: What is with this?

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You must be joking. People won't buy a game because of some small, minute, infinitesimal detail that may not be true at all. No one should even notice such flimsy and inconspicuous details since they should be engrossed in the atmosphere of the story. I could understand people not buying the game if it had an extremely low framerate or there were tons of bugs or the gameplay was awful, but that's not the case. It's a solid game.
This is no joke...And Its Not an infinitesmal detail...if it was we would nt keep looking what remedy has to say about all the every ten minutes or so!They would buy the console since it was heralded as THE best thing that xbox 360 can produce,since it s exclusive,and one of the best graphics game ever made !They were pretty much hyped about it,liked the trailers and pictures(fake or not) was the right oppurtunity for them to get something that visually challenges their exclusives,in terms of graphics(yes,they are both kind of graphic "sob's" and ps3 fanboys),and plays just as good..I still say it is challenging,but after all this,they dont think so,and keep say that all us xbox-ers have been taken for a fool..I know the game is solid..but they refuse to admit that,now all they say is that the 360 has shown its age,which I dont want to believe yet!

And for the record,I could care less of if you think I am lying or exagerrate..I would buy the ps3 also if I had the money just to play Uncharted1+2,and some GOW3 afterwards..not just for graphics,but to expirience all others that stand correct when they say its a very very good game!!I cant explain why is so hard for you to believe that this game is a system seller..Most people that buy multyple consoles do that for the exclusives..some even build a gaming pc just to play a game(crysis anyone????),even though it was just game not known for its gameplay!It wont be the first time a thing like that happens,and it certainly wont be the last...
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:28 AM   #882
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Re: What is with this?

Those screenshots came from the same site that people have been bitching about.

http://www.videogameszone.de/Alan-Wa...lerie/1277741/
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:50 AM   #883
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Play it and count yourself....its 720p..i have said 100 times
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:51 AM   #884
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Guys just download 2009 Game-play...trailer...and count the pixels..if its 720p then game is 720p
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:02 AM   #885
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Re: What is with this?

Guys, unfortunately Markus Mäki, Director of Development, has been grounded in southern Europe with family due to the volcanic ash. We are sorry you haven’t gotten an answer sooner. This is Markus’s reply to your questions.

"Modern renderers don't work by rendering everything to a certain final on-screen resolution, but use a combination of techniques and buffers to compose the final detail-rich frames, optimizing to improve the visual experience and game performance.

Alan Wake's renderer on the Xbox360 uses about 50 different intermediate render targets in different resolutions, color depths and anti-alias settings for different purposes. These are used for example for cascaded shadow maps from sun & moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, HUD, video buffers, menus and so on. In the end all are combined to form one 720p image, with all intermediate buffer sizes selected to optimize image quality and GPU performance. All together the render targets take about 80 MB of memory, equivalent in size to over twenty 720p buffers."

Ozz, posting on behalf of Markus
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:06 AM   #886
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Awesome. Thanks Oskari. Any chance of getting that in english? j/k

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Old 04-19-2010, 08:08 AM   #887
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Re: What is with this?

Although I didn't understand a word of that, thanks
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:10 AM   #888
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Guys, unfortunately Markus Mäki, Director of Development, has been grounded in southern Europe with family due to the volcanic ash. We are sorry you haven’t gotten an answer sooner. This is Markus’s reply to your questions.

"Modern renderers don't work by rendering everything to a certain final on-screen resolution, but use a combination of techniques and buffers to compose the final detail-rich frames, optimizing to improve the visual experience and game performance.

Alan Wake's renderer on the Xbox360 uses about 50 different intermediate render targets in different resolutions, color depths and anti-alias settings for different purposes. These are used for example for cascaded shadow maps from sun & moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, HUD, video buffers, menus and so on. In the end all are combined to form one 720p image, with all intermediate buffer sizes selected to optimize image quality and GPU performance. All together the render targets take about 80 MB of memory, equivalent in size to over twenty 720p buffers."

Ozz, posting on behalf of Markus
Ciao Oskari, I'm Simone in Italy. The game is fantastic and I was sure it was running at 720p ... Unfortunately there are always sites that are incompetent disinformation ... Now, enjoy the holidays, the game of the year will be Alan Wake, I have no doubt!
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:13 AM   #889
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hmm thanxks for reply....


Tho lang you used went completely over my head ..
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:15 AM   #890
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Re: What is with this?

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Just ask Markus to write:-

5 simple words.....

Alan wake runs at 720p.. that's it nothing more...

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Old 04-19-2010, 08:19 AM   #891
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OskariRMD


Just ask Markus to write:-

5 simple words.....

Alan wake runs at 720p.. that's it nothing more...

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sony fanboy now can return to play with the PS3 ... here you have nothing more to do
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:19 AM   #892
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OskariRMD


Just ask Markus to write:-

5 simple words.....

Alan wake runs at 720p.. that's it nothing more...

.topic closed
Don't be so ungreatfull. It's not that simple. What RMD is saying (from what I understand) is that the game doesn't have a fixed resolution. It all depends on the situation. I guess something like WipeOut HD?
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:20 AM   #893
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So is it native 720p or not?
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:23 AM   #894
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So if i understand correctly,not all objects and effects r at the same resolutions,have the same amount of anti aliasing and render differently,right?A somewhat selective renderer?such as the selective anti aliasing in most unreal engine games?If that true,than we don t have to worry about,since many games do tricks like that to improve performance..So the game is 720p after all..,but the screens and video dont do justice taken from that site!Please tell me if this is correct!!
Thanks for replying mr Oskari!hope at least that Markus enjoys more free time with family,having been grounded due to the volcanic ash,which is also said that comes to my country Greece tomorrow!
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:24 AM   #895
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I'm not even going to begin to pretend I understand it. lol

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Old 04-19-2010, 08:25 AM   #896
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http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=1627

Still waiting for more on what B3D think.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:29 AM   #897
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Don't be so ungreatfull. It's not that simple. What RMD is saying (from what I understand) is that the game doesn't have a fixed resolution. It all depends on the situation. I guess something like WipeOut HD?

i just want HD reso..through out the game...
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:31 AM   #898
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sony fanboy now can return to play with the PS3 ... here you have nothing more to do

ya they can return to play games on ps3 in HD ..
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:34 AM   #899
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i guess by this they just admitted that the game is not running in native 720p...
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:39 AM   #900
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Wow, I'm not really satisfied with this to be honest
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:40 AM   #901
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i guess by this they just admitted that the game is not running in native 720p...
Becouse it doesn't. It uses custom deferred rendering from what I understand, and it's too easy to say it's 540p and to complicated to say it's not 720p.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:41 AM   #902
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explanation makes it sound like the game changes resolution dynamically depending on situation ?
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:41 AM   #903
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These are used for example for cascaded shadow maps from sun & moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, HUD, video buffers, menus and so on. In the end all are combined to form one 720p image



READ^^^
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:41 AM   #904
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I have a firmer grasp on Quantum Mechanics than what was said.

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Old 04-19-2010, 08:43 AM   #905
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i guess by this they just admitted that the game is not running in native 720p...
No various effects are at different resolutions the game hits the internal xbox 360 buffer at 720p, to be clear if the image is 720p on the buffer it is native 720p if the buffer was sub 720p it would then be upscaled by the scaler

So in all likelyhood there is an effect (cascaded shadow maps from sun & moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, or one of the other 30 odd effects) that is 540p, but the engine frame would have to be 720p or it wouldnt be 720p on the frame buiffer

\\Games like halo3 rendered a 540p image to the frame buffer and let the scaler upscale it, alan wake is clearly not doing this\\
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:45 AM   #906
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Re: What is with this?

.360 runs it at 720p..but game changes it reso...acc to situation ??
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:48 AM   #907
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These are used for example for cascaded shadow maps from sun & moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, HUD, video buffers, menus and so on. In the end all are combined to form one 720p image



READ^^^

yeah i can read, too....that explains why only the HUD was rendered at 720p..

the game renders the other components of the game at 540p or less resolustion and upscales them into 720p and combines the result with HUD..

and remedy calls that 'native 720p' and 'modern rendring technique
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:50 AM   #908
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This used to be such a nice forum, now it's just full of stupid fanboys.

I don't know why Remedy even bother to reply to such stupid questions over and over.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:54 AM   #909
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This used to be such a nice forum, now it's just full of stupid fanboys.

I don't know why Remedy even bother to reply to such stupid questions over and over.
Aside from the fanboys, it's interesting tech talk.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:57 AM   #910
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:58 AM   #911
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:10 AM   #912
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How abt forming AWDF?
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:14 AM   #913
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Ciao Oskari, I'm Simone in Italy. The game is fantastic and I was sure it was running at 720p ... Unfortunately there are always sites that are incompetent disinformation ... Now, enjoy the holidays, the game of the year will be Alan Wake, I have no doubt!
Thanks Simone, I think you have the right attitude, to look at the visuals of the game and enjoy it. We are a very tech orientated company and have worked really hard to bringing you an awesome game, and we are really pleased with Alan Wake as a full package from visuals, gameplay and story. We hope others will enjoy it too.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:20 AM   #914
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We will all enjoy it very very much. Keep making kick ass games and we will keep buying them.

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Old 04-19-2010, 09:33 AM   #915
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yeah i can read, too....that explains why only the HUD was rendered at 720p..

the game renders the other components of the game at 540p or less resolustion and upscales them into 720p and combines the result with HUD..

and remedy calls that 'native 720p' and 'modern rendring technique
Thats your interpretation of what he said
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:35 AM   #916
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Guys, unfortunately Markus Mäki, Director of Development, has been grounded in southern Europe with family due to the volcanic ash. We are sorry you haven’t gotten an answer sooner. This is Markus’s reply to your questions.

"Modern renderers don't work by rendering everything to a certain final on-screen resolution, but use a combination of techniques and buffers to compose the final detail-rich frames, optimizing to improve the visual experience and game performance.

Alan Wake's renderer on the Xbox360 uses about 50 different intermediate render targets in different resolutions, color depths and anti-alias settings for different purposes. These are used for example for cascaded shadow maps from sun & moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, HUD, video buffers, menus and so on. In the end all are combined to form one 720p image, with all intermediate buffer sizes selected to optimize image quality and GPU performance. All together the render targets take about 80 MB of memory, equivalent in size to over twenty 720p buffers."

Ozz, posting on behalf of Markus
Thanks Oskari, but I did not understand.
Xbox 360 upscaled image to 720p or native resolution of the game is 720p? Clarify finally.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:41 AM   #917
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Wow, I'm not really satisfied with this to be honest
You would know, what with your day long membership here and all
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:42 AM   #918
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Thanks Oskari, but I did not understand.
Xbox 360 upscaled image to 720p or native resolution of the game is 720p? Clarify finally.
Both. The game renders post processing in native 720p and geometry in 540p. From my understanding.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:42 AM   #919
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i guess by this they just admitted that the game is not running in native 720p...
So you went through the trouble of creating an account today just to post this.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:45 AM   #920
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So you went through the trouble of creating an account today just to post this.
A lot of these guys here just appeared out of nowhere in the past few days. Not all bad,though.

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