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Old 04-18-2010, 09:01 AM   #441
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Good to hear. You go buy the game and enjoy every last min of it
I am sure i will, it is just that i was shocked to read the news, especially as i was defending the game all day yesterday, and i only looked like a moron when the IGN pics appeared

Doctoring bullshots with a paintged HUD is the worst thing i have seen done in gaming industry, ever, until now the only way to tell if a pic was bullshot, was crispness+smoothness+no HUD, now Remedy destroyed that method, adding painted fake HUD over bullshots to pass as in game

Well, maybe it is my fault, if i had never defended the gam with so much passion, thinking that it can't possibly be subHD, i would not have got so dissapointed and angry about the truth
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:03 AM   #442
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Where are the Remedy developers? I always see them posting in nearly all the threads, yet they've suddenly vanished after this whole pixel fiasco.

Yo where mah devs at yo? Help us clear things up a bit!
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:04 AM   #443
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If they do comment it prolly won't be till monday. It is the weekend.

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:04 AM   #444
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Re: What is with this?

O MY GOD!
Can anyone tell me the different between 720p and 1080p?
THIS THREAD= FAIL

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:06 AM   #445
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I am sure i will, it is just that i was shocked to read the news, especially as i was defending the game all day yesterday, and i only looked like a moron when the IGN pics appeared
Have you tried playing and AW clips on you 32 inch? If not then see if it still looks just as good as on the videos

P.S. P.S. As long as no one trolls(not saying you are one) relax and go on some other threads until RMD dose something.

http://forum.alanwake.com/showthread.php?t=3311

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O MY GOD!
Can anyone tell me the different between 720p and 1080p?
THIS THREAD= FAIL
It's about Sub-HD and HD
I think it's HD.

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:07 AM   #446
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Double post

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:07 AM   #447
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O MY GOD!
Can anyone tell me the different between 720p and 1080p?
THIS THREAD= FAIL
It's bigger than the difference between 720p and 540p, so if Wake looks worse because of it SUPPOSEDLY being 540p, then Perfect Dark XBLA and Lair are two of the best looking games this gen at 1080p. Sounds kinda stupid when you read that and think about it.

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:11 AM   #448
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I have to admit, that until i see the game runing on my TV, i cant be 100% sure will not look stunning, so i guess i have been overreacting a bit

You see i was so disapointed that Fable 2, my most wanted game on 360 back then was ot crisp clear, now my 2ond most wanted (or third after Fable 3 anyway) game turns out same

Anyway, i will be able to handle it i guess
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:16 AM   #449
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I have to admit, that until i see the game runing on my TV, i cant be 100% sure will not look stunning, so i guess i have been overreacting a bit

You see i was so disapointed that Fable 2, my most wanted game on 360 back then was ot crisp clear, now my 2ond most wanted (or third after Fable 3 anyway) game turns out same

Anyway, i will be able to handle it i guess
Now let's all be a fan until there's something to complain about

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:20 AM   #450
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Yeah, wait till people find out the game is less than the 20 hours they are expecting. It will hit the fan then.

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:22 AM   #451
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From the previews that I've read, the game looks fantastic. Some of the best graphics on the 360. Honestly, what other games are coming out for the 360 that look this good? The lighting, art style and atmosphere in this game is INSANE. IN-FREAKING-SANE! If you didn't have someone guesstimating the resolution, you wouldn't even know, care or notice. Don't want to buy this game because of resolution? Your loss, you miss out on something special.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:23 AM   #452
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From the previews that I've read, the game looks fantastic. Some of the best graphics on the 360. Honestly, what other games are coming out for the 360 that look this good? The lighting, art style and atmosphere in this game is INSANE. IN-FREAKING-SANE! If you didn't have someone guesstimating the resolution, you wouldn't even know, care or notice. Don't want to buy this game because of resolution? Your loss, you miss out on something special.
100% agree, that is why i would rather hsve all those effects crystal clear in true 720p glory, which would make them IN-FREAKING- DAMN- UNBELIEVABLY-SANE

That is the problem actually
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:25 AM   #453
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labwarrior GTFO.

Now.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:32 AM   #454
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Ya know what's really odd about this. A TON of peopel, including almost every major game site has actually played this hands on...and nowhere have we seen anyone having issues like the ones you seem to think it will have, Labwarrior. Even someone on Neogaf that played it said it looked fantastic and didn't notice any issues.

SO one of two things:

It's 540p and upscales so well you won't really notice(since no professionals noticed playin it on HDTV's)

or

it's 720p and this pixel counter is using bad source material.(seems more likely)

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:36 AM   #455
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Ok, i wait

I will know first hand soon

I have to add that the pics shown from video grabs are compressed, since the video uses some kid of compressing, so would be blurrier than normal

These pixel counters have never been wrong unfortunatly

I read an article in GAF, that 540p upscales great in 1080 resolution

http://forums.xbox.com/1/32195424/ShowPost.aspx
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:36 AM   #456
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Hymm it seems we got Alan Wake Wars after all
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:36 AM   #457
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Maybe they change the resolution from time to time based on the scene's complexity, or maybe they render the 3D world in 540p and then add post-processing in 720p? Maybe they intentionally blur the scene in some points to make it "foggy"? It could be something really absurd, but it doesn't have to include Remedy with some strange conspiracy.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:40 AM   #458
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Maybe they change the resolution from time to time based on the scene's complexity, or maybe they render the 3D world in 540p and then add post-processing in 720p? Maybe they intentionally blur the scene in some points to make it "foggy"? It could be something really absurd, but it doesn't have to include Remedy with some strange conspiracy.
Probably the same with FF13. 576p in-game but 720p for cutscenes (unfortunately, the FMVs also turned out to be 576p), but something like that IF this is true.

Just my guess.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:41 AM   #459
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Ok, i wait

I have to add that the pics shown from video grabs are compressed, since the video uses some kid of compressing, so would be blurrier than normal

These pixel counters have never been wrong unfortunatly
Exactly, so even if the pixel counters are right, you still can't use those photos to say it's going to look like that since they are still compressed to crap and whatnot. Everyone that has played it says it looks fantastic. The guy on neogaf that played it said in responde to it possibly being 540p "You could have fooled me".

SO wether it's 540p or 720p doesn't matter, it's still one of the best looking games this gen so say people that have actually played it.

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:46 AM   #460
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Seriously now!
Is Bioshock 2 576p? If it is, it still looked pretty darn good on my 135" screen. Alan Wake's visuals are superior if you compare, I can't imagine how good it will look even _if_ it will be 576p. I don't give a shit which one it is!

I'm sure not many people could even tell the difference until you have two screens next to each other with exact picture, and even then the difference is minimal.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:47 AM   #461
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Seriously now!
Is Bioshock 2 576p?
No, it's not. It's 720p.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:50 AM   #462
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Seriously now!
Is Bioshock 2 576p? If it is, it still looked pretty darn good on my 135" screen. Alan Wake's visuals are superior if you compare, I can't imagine how good it will look even _if_ it will be 576p. I don't give a shit which one it is!

I'm sure not many people could even tell the difference until you have two screens next to each other with exact picture, and even then the difference is minimal.
the first bioshock was 680p on PS3, 720p on 360. BS2 is 720p on both.

360:http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...44&postcount=3
PS3: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...42&postcount=2

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:50 AM   #463
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No, it's not. It's 720p.
Whops let's take the "2" away and I'll rest my case

Damn, okey my mistake then Could somebody point me one or couple xbox 360 games that is 576p?
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:50 AM   #464
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guys...... u know some people actually has a life... or job....

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:53 AM   #465
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guys...... u know some people actually has a life... or job....
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:54 AM   #466
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Whops let's take the "2" away and I'll rest my case

Damn, okey my mistake then Could somebody point me one or couple xbox 360 games that is 576p?
Fable 2, Halo 3, COD4

Dont know if they are 576, but are sub HD and have the same symptoms (blurry grass, fuzzy picture, strange jaggies)
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:54 AM   #467
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Yeah but it's Sunday!
But sunday is Walker Texas Ranger time!
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:54 AM   #468
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Whops let's take the "2" away and I'll rest my case

Damn, okey my mistake then Could somebody point me one or couple xbox 360 games that is 576p?
Check out http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...44&postcount=3 and Ctrl + F and type in 720, look at the ones not highlighted.

It;s odd that Wake would be 540p according to the guy, that would make it the lowest res 360 game, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:54 AM   #469
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Ok, i wait

I will know first hand soon

I have to add that the pics shown from video grabs are compressed, since the video uses some kid of compressing, so would be blurrier than normal

These pixel counters have never been wrong unfortunatly

I read an article in GAF, that 540p upscales great in 1080 resolution

http://forums.xbox.com/1/32195424/ShowPost.aspx
That means if AW was 540p it would look better then 720p! You have to read this artical
http://forums.xbox.com/1/32195424/ShowPost.aspx
Well, I still don't think that RMD wouldn't lie. But I now wish they did

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Old 04-18-2010, 09:56 AM   #470
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Could somebody point me one or couple xbox 360 games that is 576p?
FF13, Tomb Raider Underworld, Splinter Cell Conviction, a few others
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:57 AM   #471
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Whops let's take the "2" away and I'll rest my case

Damn, okey my mistake then Could somebody point me one or couple xbox 360 games that is 576p?
Conan, Fifa 06, FF XIII, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2, Pro Evo 6, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Tomb Raider: Underworld

600p not included.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:58 AM   #472
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Fable 2, Halo 3, COD4

Dont know if they are 576, but are sub HD and have the same symptoms (blurry grass, fuzzy picture)
Okey, well I gotta say I didn't like Fable 2 graphics. But what it comes to COD4, where on earth did you get an idea it is blurry or fuzzy. It must be one of the "sharpesst" games I've played. And I like the graphics, very sophisticated indeed.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:59 AM   #473
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Fable 2 wasn't any where near blurry, i have a 47' Samsung LED TV. My 360 is hooked up via HDMI, and it looked crisp enough. The fact of the matter is you like most people here talk out of their rectum with little to no facts as claim once again a questionable site to be word of god over Remedy.

The same site that the Pixel counter guys got their captures from, the same site that doctored pics of Dante's Inferno to make the 360 version look worse than the PS3 version. Then when Digital Foundry proved otherwise, said pics mysteriously disappeared. Now you people claim this source as trustworthy? Sorry but no, i'll believe Remedy over them. Until PROVEN otherwise.
Please post a pics
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:00 AM   #474
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So, no replies from Remedy?
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:01 AM   #475
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That means if AW was 540p it would look better then 720p! You have to read this artical
http://forums.xbox.com/1/32195424/ShowPost.aspx
Well, I still don't think that RMD wouldn't lie. But I now wish they did
That article says, simply put, that upscaling from a lower res results into better pixel usage than upscaling from a higher res. Less pixels will be lost. But I doubt that it's true, becouse I don't think a 540p native game can look better than a 720p native one.
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:02 AM   #476
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That article says, simply put, that upscaling from a lower res results into better pixel usage than upscaling from a higher res. Less pixels will be lost. But I doubt that it's true, becouse I don't think a 540p native game can look better than a 720p native one.
Oh, sorry I. Silly me, thought it was real

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Old 04-18-2010, 10:02 AM   #477
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Okey, well I gotta say I didn't like Fable 2 graphics. But what it comes to COD4, where on earth did you get an idea it is blurry or fuzzy. It must be one of the "sharpesst" games I've played. And I like the graphics, very sophisticated indeed.
COD4 is one of the sharpest games you played? You sure you own a 360?
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:03 AM   #478
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Oh, sorry I. Silly me, thought it was real
I could be becouse theoratically, you do loose less pixels. So the article has some sense. But I doubt that it looks better.
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:03 AM   #479
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That article says, simply put, that upscaling from a lower res results into better pixel usage than upscaling from a higher res. Less pixels will be lost. But I doubt that it's true, becouse I don't think a 540p native game can look better than a 720p native one.
Have you looked at Alan Wake?

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Old 04-18-2010, 10:05 AM   #480
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Have you looked at Alan Wake?
I mean the same game. I don't think that game X will look better in 540p compared to 720p.
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