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Old 04-19-2010, 01:40 PM   #1001
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Re: What is with this?

Why is everyone still arguing about the resolution? There has been many posts translating Markus' message and stating that the geometry is done in 540p and the post-processing in 720p so it is clearly pointless to argue which is the real res. The post-processing can make a game look better (duh?). So the "real" res could be 540p but that isn't the whole truth as after post-processing the game goes out in 720p without the console upscaling it.
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:41 PM   #1002
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ADM is from Australia
My bad, I assumed the community manager was part of the team in Finland. Seems you guys have an interesting community here, I like how devs regularly chip in on discussions here at the boards.
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:41 PM   #1003
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Just to let you know that i've reported you to the mods . Behaviour like that shouldn't be tolerated .

(Everything you said does not change the fact that the game is 540p )
no offense but you and all the other fanboys who have registered here for the last 3-4 days are the ones who should be reported to the mods!

And until Remedy say the game is 540p as you claim it to be, the game is 720p. You're in no position to make that assessment because you did not develop the game and are not part of the team in any way so shut up and stop making statements as if they were facts when they're not.
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:42 PM   #1004
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Why is everyone still arguing about the resolution? There has been many posts translating Markus' message and stating that the geometry is done in 540p and the post-processing in 720p so it is clearly pointless to argue which is the real res. The post-processing can make a game look better. So the "real" res could be 540p but that isn't the whole truth as after post-processing the game goes out in 720p without the console upscaling it.
Well, if it is 540p, it is 540p, no matter the post processing

All you can do is make it blurry to cover up the loss of actual rendered information, which is not good, as proven by the fuzzy picure in Fable 2, Halo 3, COD4, FF13, SC5 etc

BTW, it is monday, any word from the developers ?

They should make a statement, they hve to understand that we willlove their work whatever the resolution might be, but holding back the truth is both immature and unproffessional (or professional as far as maximiing sales and minimizing your customer trust go)
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:47 PM   #1005
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BTW, it is monday, any word from the developers ?
There you go

Maybe not as black'n'white answer as some would've hoped for, but yes, the game would be pretty stupid to call 540p anymore.
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:51 PM   #1006
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They did.

Maybe not as black'n'white answer as you would've hoped for, but yes, the game would be pretty stupid to call 540p anymore.
Nice, seems fair enough, still i would like to know how the geometry layer is rendered
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:00 PM   #1007
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Nice, seems fair enough, still i would like to know how the geometry layer is rendered
I guess the geometry or the lighting effects are the ones with 540p as they are the heaviest of the bunch to my knowlege. Do you seriously claim that anti-aliasing and good texture filters don't make a game look better? At least to my eye sight they do...

EDIT: I can be wrong about the res but that would make sense to a guy with a not-so-good computer as I've had to switch off the shadow effects numerous times for performance issues...
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:03 PM   #1008
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My bad, I assumed the community manager was part of the team in Finland. Seems you guys have an interesting community here, I like how devs regularly chip in on discussions here at the boards.
Yep it's an interesting setup we have as I'm based in Perth and do all my work from there. So flying from Perth to Sydney was a piece of cake which is unfortunately not the case for Matias on his return from Sydney to Finland.
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:07 PM   #1009
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I guess the geometry or the lighting effects are the ones with 540p as they are the heaviest of the bunch to my knowlege. Do you seriously claim that anti-aliasing and good texture filters don't make a game look better? At least to my eye sight they do...

EDIT: I can be wrong about the res but that would make sense to a guy with a not-so-good computer as I've had to switch off the shadow effects numerous times for performance issues...
I prefer the look of 720p games with no AA to 540p games with AA, because the 540p makes for a very fuzzy look, still until i see the game in person i will just hold back any judgement

Soon ...

In the end, i can always use a smaller TV and will look like 1080p
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:11 PM   #1010
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In the end, i can always use a smaller TV and will look like 1080p
That's one way to do it. I prefer to pull my chair back for about half a meter as that seems to get rid off the jaggies for me
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:22 PM   #1011
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Yep it's an interesting setup we have as I'm based in Perth and do all my work from there. So flying from Perth to Sydney was a piece of cake which is unfortunately not the case for Matias on his return from Sydney to Finland.
Is he still stuck there? That must suck, a friend of mine is stuck in Amsterdam for the past few days delaying her trip she was looking forward to for quite some time. Btw how is it to be a gamer in Australia? Must suck with all the restrictions and bans.

Anyway did the australian media get to play the whole game for review purposes or was it simply some chuncks of gameplay the got to play for their previews?
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:38 PM   #1012
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You guys think they re doing the same thing insomniac did? Rendering in a low resolution, then using AA to reconstruuct 720p?
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:39 PM   #1013
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Matias leaves on Wednesday and I leave on Thursday.

Also media got to play a 90 minute demo of the game.
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:43 PM   #1014
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So after all its 720p... lool

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Old 04-19-2010, 02:47 PM   #1015
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Re: What is with this?

¿720p native, right?

But can some dev from Remedy give us some DIRECT answer (yes or no), please?

Cheers
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:54 PM   #1016
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¿720p native, right?

But can some dev from Remedy give us some DIRECT answer (yes or no), please?

Cheers
I believe they already did.

720p.
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:57 PM   #1017
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I still love how nobody once called Videogame zone into question despite the fact that they have doctored shots of 360 games before, to make them look worse than they really do. Only to be proven wrong by DF. Even worse people on Gaf are still using these pics to condemn the game despite how it actually looks in motion.
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:58 PM   #1018
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after I saw the screenshots of the game I noticed there is no meaning to make it clear whether it's 720p or 540p any more.

Ok,whether it's 720p or not,Remedy,just bring back the clarity and defination of the pic you have ever showed us in this:



and this:



instead of this blur.

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Old 04-19-2010, 03:00 PM   #1019
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I believe they already did.

720p.
But they weren't clear, and some people stay without trust them, thinking it's 549p.

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Old 04-19-2010, 03:04 PM   #1020
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after I saw the screenshots of the game I noticed there is no meaning to make it clear whether it's 720p or 540p any more.

Ok,whether it's 720p or not,Remedy,just bring back the clarity and defination of the pic you have ever showed us in this:

http://pic.yupoo.com/liuuuuuuu/86839...6/06pf6otx.jpg

and this:

http://media.industrygamers.com/edit...wake%20pic.jpg

instead of this blur.

http://pic.yupoo.com/liuuuuuuu/41040...d/g9d92cwl.jpg
Go compare every game with promo screens and in-game screencaps.. You'll be surprised...

And it's blury because alan is in movement. Jesus, watch the videos. This scene is awesome in motion.

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Old 04-19-2010, 03:10 PM   #1021
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well maybe REMEDY have to hire these guys.

these guys is really expert in graphics
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:17 PM   #1022
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I know the official released pics always have very high AA and AF,but,the other games don't get so much gap in clarity.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:27 PM   #1023
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I know the official released pics always have very high AA and AF,but,the other games don't get so much gap in clarity.
Take Killzone 2 pics... It's use some of the same AW tech. Multiple "layers" to compose the image, motion blur, etc. It's hard to find a "clean" image.

I got 2 caps from the same videogameszone.de website.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/691...ission3000.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/516...ission3008.jpg

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Old 04-19-2010, 03:29 PM   #1024
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after I saw the screenshots of the game I noticed there is no meaning to make it clear whether it's 720p or 540p any more.

Ok,whether it's 720p or not,Remedy,just bring back the clarity and defination of the pic you have ever showed us in this:
[sharp pic]
and this:
[sharp pic]
instead of this blur.
[seemingly blurry pic]
The thing is that when the game is ACTUALLY being played, there are all sorts of effects like motion blur which makes the game more fluid. The thing is, when you take a still picture of the game in motion, the motion blur actually makes the pic look blurry. I'm sure the game will look sharp when you actually play it.

When taking promo shots they sometimes change the motion blur settings so that the still image could look as cool as the real game does in motion.

EDIT: Well it seems after the previous posts I said nothing new. Go me!
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:34 PM   #1025
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¿720p native, right?

But can some dev from Remedy give us some DIRECT answer (yes or no), please?

Cheers
Reading Remedy's last official note I understand that AW does NOT run at 720p native. The engine renders the geometry at 570p and then the image gets upscaled to 720p and postprocessed with AAx4, blur/noise effects, cinematic frame lighting, etc....
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:37 PM   #1026
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Can anyone count pixels in last year game-play footage ??

Police chase one and other...?? No Tech..guy here ?
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:45 PM   #1027
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motion blur? how about this ? not in motion.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:47 PM   #1028
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What's up? So the game was 720p after all or WTF? I'm too lazy to go through the latests posts since I visited the site yesterday.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:50 PM   #1029
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Re: What is with this?

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I believe they already did.

720p.
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Reading Remedy's last official note I understand that AW does NOT run at 720p native. The engine renders the geometry at 570p and then the image gets upscaled to 720p and postprocessed with AAx4, blur/noise effects, cinematic frame lighting, etc....
This is what i was talking about, please Remedy, give us a direct answer.

Cheers
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:56 PM   #1030
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Take Killzone 2 pics... It's use some of the same AW tech. Multiple "layers" to compose the image, motion blur, etc. It's hard to find a "clean" image.

I got 2 caps from the same videogameszone.de website.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/691...ission3000.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/516...ission3008.jpg
Sorry, I think you misunderstand this.yes,the killzone2's pic looks blurry,but this blur is diffrent. kz2 is a native 720p,they add some post-process filter to make it looks blurry,but it's definately form a 720p source to another 720p result,all the information kept,all the details will remain the same,it's surely diffrent from the blur caused by upscalling's interpolation.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:57 PM   #1031
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This is what i was talking about, please Remedy, give us a direct answer.

Cheers
Yeah, the guys at Meristation eager to know, dammit!
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:58 PM   #1032
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peoples still arguing about it after "clarification" from Remedy ?
Game is subHD deal with it already and move on.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:12 PM   #1033
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peoples still arguing about it after "clarification" from Remedy ?
Game is subHD deal with it already and move on.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:12 PM   #1034
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So... it's HD or not?

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Old 04-19-2010, 04:13 PM   #1035
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motion blur? how about this ? not in motion.
http://pds17.egloos.com/pds/201004/1...9115b3403f.jpg
not in motion... so as you can see it's not blury like the other pic.

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Old 04-19-2010, 04:16 PM   #1036
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Reading Remedy's last official note I understand that AW does NOT run at 720p native. The engine renders the geometry at 570p and then the image gets upscaled to 720p and postprocessed with AAx4, blur/noise effects, cinematic frame lighting, etc....
What exactly do you mean by "the engine" and "native resolution"? In my opinion, Remedy quite clearly stated their engine outputs 720p images, using numerous different buffers of varying resolutions in the process.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:21 PM   #1037
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Here is how the game looks without and with post-processing


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Old 04-19-2010, 04:24 PM   #1038
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Here is how the game looks without and with post-processing


Makes a world of a difference the top screen is probably how it would look like on a PC with low settings.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:25 PM   #1039
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720p? Why not 1080p? Most of my ps3 and some of my 360 games have the option in it. Even the $20 Deadly Premonition supports up to 1080p! Ehh.. I guess 720p isn't bad, but it won't look great on a 50" screen.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:27 PM   #1040
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720p? Why not 1080p? Most of my ps3 and some of my 360 games have the option in it. Even the $20 Deadly Premonition supports up to 1080p! Ehh.. I guess 720p isn't bad, but it won't look great on a 50" screen.
Deadly Premonition looks barely better then a PS2 game that's why.
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